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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 15:33
Unfortunately, the only homes that they seem to build around here are the mansions that go for $250,000 and up.  Which was nice because if I had been so inclined I could have sold my 3 bedroom ranch for about $200,000.  With the housing market today, I'd probably be lucky to get $150,000 for it today. Cry  But luckily for me I'm not in the market to sell it.   Not too many people can easily afford these $250,000+ homes, but that is where the money was for construction firms so that is what they were building.  There isn't much money to be had in building a home and selling it for under $100,000 these days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 15:35
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Unfortunately, the only homes that they seem to build around here are the mansions that go for $250,000 and up. 


error:  could not correlate "mansions" with "$250,000".  Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 18:04
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Unfortunately, the only homes that they seem to build around here are the mansions that go for $250,000 and up. 


error:  could not correlate "mansions" with "$250,000".  Cry
 
In London that wouldn't even get you a 2 bedroom flat. Property prices are going into free fall in the capital, which is actually not bad news for teachers, nurses, policemen and all those other insignificant little people who have had the bottom rung of the property ladder jerked out of reach for so long. It's an ill wind and all that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 18:05
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I also posted this in another thread, but I find it more appropriate here:
 
I can't help but be amused by the argument in this and similar threads that put the blame of anything on the administration that went before.
 
I mean, there's been eight years to clean up the mess, blaming the forerunners after that time is grotesque.
Tghis mess is not that easy to clean up.
 
 
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

That's the whole point of elections (well, supposed to be, anyway): You vote a party in to clear up the mess, if they don't cut it after many, many years, they're incapable of doing their job.
And since we have only 2 parties to choose from, what you suggest is bring back the ones who created the mess so they can go on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 18:22
Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

I heard someone say that it would cost us 144B to save all the homes in foreclosure and pre-foreclosure. Wouldn't it make more sense to save all these people instead of Banks that caused this by giving out bad loans to people that couldn't pay them in the first place?
 
In which case, why did they take out the loan when they knew they couldn't pay for it in the first place? This sets a brilliant example to the next generation doesn't it? I have vivid memories of my Mum doing everything in her power to ensure that any debts were paid off - usually furniture on the HP. The sacrifices she made just to get a bit of furniture still are fresh in my mind. Which is why I don't owe anyone any money - apart from my CD purchases of course, which are paid off when the statement arrives.
 
If you can't afford it - don't buy it.
 
Thanks Mum.
Most people in this country live beyond their means. But as if it's not bad enough this life style is encouraged. THe last president who tried to rein it in was Jimmi Carter. 
 
Many apologies but my knowledge of US politics is about as much as I can write on the back of a stamp. You imply that something happened to Jimmy Carter - presumably he was voted out of office by an electorate wanting the highlife on credit.
 
I didn't imply that. Carter had the hostage crisis on top of the economy in recession with inflation out of control. I don't know  if it was Carter himself or Paul Volcker (the Fed Chairman) who implemented that policy as the Fed was more independent back then. I didn't follow the economy closely at the time. But the prevailing idea was to fight inflation by shrinking credit, not expanding it; and subdued inflation was the Fed's goal, not eternal economis expansion at all costs
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 18:25
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Unfortunately, the only homes that they seem to build around here are the mansions that go for $250,000 and up. 


error:  could not correlate "mansions" with "$250,000".  Cry
You live too close to NYC man (or Phila?)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 20:45
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Unfortunately, the only homes that they seem to build around here are the mansions that go for $250,000 and up. 


error:  could not correlate "mansions" with "$250,000".  Cry
You live too close to NYC man (or Phila?)


Philly, and before that Washington DC, where I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at the price escalation (well, I laughed when we sold our townhouse in 2005).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 21:06
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Unfortunately, the only homes that they seem to build around here are the mansions that go for $250,000 and up. 


error:  could not correlate "mansions" with "$250,000".  Cry
You live too close to NYC man (or Phila?)


Philly, and before that Washington DC, where I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at the price escalation (well, I laughed when we sold our townhouse in 2005).

Suburban houses near Philly in NJ go for far more than $250,000 for a small house.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 22:31
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Unfortunately, the only homes that they seem to build around here are the mansions that go for $250,000 and up. 


error:  could not correlate "mansions" with "$250,000".  Cry
You live too close to NYC man (or Phila?)


Philly, and before that Washington DC, where I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at the price escalation (well, I laughed when we sold our townhouse in 2005).
That figures. The prices here are insane
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2008 at 22:48
$250,000 in LA and Orange County will give you a 2 bedroom or most likely 1 bedroom "house"
I haven't checked recently what the prices are after the crash but I think it's still really high.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2008 at 06:22
How the hell is pumping all that cash into the existing banking system supposed to re-instate public confidence in banks?
 
Or is it supposed to restore confidence in banks towards each other? If so, it's not working, surprise, surprise.
 
Or is state control over banking supposed to restore that confidence? Exactly who are the public-service experts who are supposed to accomplish this then? The same ones who are doing such a grand job with the public banking system?
 
Public confidence can only be restored if the banks are to open their workings in an understandable, controlable way. Oh yeah, I can just see THAT happening!
 
And one thing I don't understand, but I suppose I'm just being naive: There is this problem about which banks are still going to 'fess up that they're in trouble. Why doesn't the government say: 'All banks own up now, disclose your books and let's have a peek-a-boo. Those who come forward NOW will receive support, those who own up later get NOTHING!' Shouldn't this have some effect, and if so, why's this not happening? Flush out the rats!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 08 2008 at 12:31

Stealing a trick from Atrios and replying to him at the same time :

Why do people talk about “the market” as if it’s an hysterical irrational child, forever in need of “calming”?

Because it is.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2008 at 07:42

Myths and falsehoods about the purported link between affordable housing initiatives and the financial crisis

Summary: Conservative and other media figures -- echoing a reported strategy on the part of Republicans -- have attempted to lay blame for the financial crisis on proponents of the expansion of affordable housing. Those attacks are premised on several myths and falsehoods.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200810100022
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2008 at 14:02
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Myths and falsehoods about the purported link between affordable housing initiatives and the financial crisis

Summary: Conservative and other media figures -- echoing a reported strategy on the part of Republicans -- have attempted to lay blame for the financial crisis on proponents of the expansion of affordable housing. Those attacks are premised on several myths and falsehoods.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200810100022


But being a stauch supporter of FauxNews I don't believe anything that comes from media matters. (tongue firmly planted in cheek)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2008 at 21:35
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Myths and falsehoods about the purported link between affordable housing initiatives and the financial crisis

Summary: Conservative and other media figures -- echoing a reported strategy on the part of Republicans -- have attempted to lay blame for the financial crisis on proponents of the expansion of affordable housing. Those attacks are premised on several myths and falsehoods.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200810100022
You manage to find the worst propaganda drivel on the web. I wonder who are the "other media figures." Non-conservative? Read the liberal New York Times series,  the piece on Fannie in particular   http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/series/the_reckoning/index.html
 
THey don't mention lots of facts and avoid mentioning Clinton altogether, but they are more objective than the one in your link
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2008 at 22:28
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Myths and falsehoods about the purported link between affordable housing initiatives and the financial crisis

Summary: Conservative and other media figures -- echoing a reported strategy on the part of Republicans -- have attempted to lay blame for the financial crisis on proponents of the expansion of affordable housing. Those attacks are premised on several myths and falsehoods.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200810100022
You manage to find the worst propaganda drivel on the web. I wonder who are the "other media figures." Non-conservative? Read the liberal New York Times series,  the piece on Fannie in particular   http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/series/the_reckoning/index.html
 
THey don't mention lots of facts and avoid mentioning Clinton altogether, but they are more objective than the one in your link
Seriously, Slartibartfast, your links are almost always atrocious.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:21
I think it's time to go on a witch hunt. Organize posseys. Go after these fat cats. Anarchy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2008 at 05:03
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Myths and falsehoods about the purported link between affordable housing initiatives and the financial crisis

Summary: Conservative and other media figures -- echoing a reported strategy on the part of Republicans -- have attempted to lay blame for the financial crisis on proponents of the expansion of affordable housing. Those attacks are premised on several myths and falsehoods.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200810100022
You manage to find the worst propaganda drivel on the web. I wonder who are the "other media figures." Non-conservative? Read the liberal New York Times series,  the piece on Fannie in particular   http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/series/the_reckoning/index.html
 
THey don't mention lots of facts and avoid mentioning Clinton altogether, but they are more objective than the one in your link
Seriously, Slartibartfast, your links are almost always atrocious.


It is seriously a badge of honor that you guys consider my links atrocious. LOL

Kind of reminds me of whenever someone writes into my local paper complaining about a Mike Luckovich cartoon, the paper reprints the cartoon (reduced in size) along with the letter of complaint.



But you guys have to admit something, at least I do provide links. LOLWink



Edited by Slartibartfast - October 12 2008 at 05:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:36
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I think it's time to go on a witch hunt. Organize posseys. Go after these fat cats. Anarchy.


It's about time somebody did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2008 at 15:17
to lay the blame on the expansion of affordable housing is indeed a myth and nothing but a myth. but we will hear that drivel again and again. banks don't make or lose their money with that; it is the stock market where the money is lost and won


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