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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2004 at 10:23
I agree 100%...Tiny's ukelele nuances are best appreciated when under the influence
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2004 at 10:34

YES JAMES,I AGREE!!

DID YOU ALSO NOTICE TINY TIMS USE OF THE TULIP AS A METAPHOR FOR MANS DESIRE TO BREAK OUT OF THE DRABNESS OF HIS PRESENT STATE OF BEING AND TO ENTER, TIP TOING CAUTIOUSLY INTO THE GREATER AND MORE COLOURFUL WORLD OF INTELLECTUAL LIBERTY.

WE ALL DESIRE THIS CLARITY..,THIS GRASPING AT THE INFINATE AND TINY TIM IN HIS MINIMALIST BUT STILL PROGRESSIVE WAY,ENCAPULATES THIS YEARNING IN A DECEPTIVLY SIMPLE YET PHILISOPHICLY DEEP SONG.

GENIUS,SHEER GENIUS!!! THE MAN IS A PROG LEGEND!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2004 at 11:04
Originally posted by harry's toenail harry's toenail wrote:

I would have thought that's a way of defining psychedelic music that doesn't really fit in a broad-minded discussion. I mean, that's the narrowest most limiting way of thinking of psychedelic music. Jefferson Airplane, Vanilla Fudge etc. - yes, these are 'psychedelic bands' firstly in the sense that they originated in the time when 'psychedelic music' was first being played all over the place. Compared to many of the 70's band I listed above, however, most so-called psychedelic bands pale in regards to how psychedelic they are. What I'm trying to say is that psychedelia didn't end in the 60's, it carried on through the 70's and beyond, partly buried amongst what folks here would think of as progressive rock. It's not a style that must be associated with 60's styles - if that's what you mean it'll be clearer to others if you talk of psych or sike rather than psychedelic music as such. As someone who lives it as he talks it and has experimented a great deal with psychedelics, I'd like to strongly assert that to limit 'real' psychedelic music to just the stuff from the 60's is both inaccurate and silly. I've met folks who think there's some firm barrier to be defeneded, between 'real' 60's psychedelic music and the so-called 'fake gimmicks' of bands who experimented with electronics and studio effects. I just laugh at how uptight such people must be to have to make such barriers, because they exist only in people's heads. What matters is the result, the effect the music has on the listener. Psychedelic means, roughly, mind manifesting, or something that makes the innermost workings of the mind apparent to ourselves. In the sense of 'real psychedelic music' as I see it and experience it, most 60's psych is mere kiddy stuff playing around the edges, whereas much of the stuff that has been swallowed by the genres of prog or so-called 'krautrock' represents the more seriously psychedelic stuff that dives right in there. There are exceptions of course but I'm just basically trying to debunk the notion that psychedelic prog isn't 'real' psychedelic music and that 60's rock is.

I used to spend a fair bit of time on discussion forums for psychedelic plants, and people there would occasionally argue about the use of the word psychedelic. Some people felt that it associated their interests with boring vegan hippies and day-glo VW's, or more specifically, that it was a word that belonged only to the 60's and therefore to be remembered in association with the most embarassing elements from that time; others were more aware of the actual roots of the word, which had nothing to do with the cliche of 60's psychedelic culture and music (and everything to do with the exploration of the mind and soul), and as such were happy to continue using it, as after all, it is a very nice word to say and to look at on a page, and most of all, it is the most broadly appropriate term for what it describes. Words that have been suggested to replace it have drawn more arguments than 'psychedelic' [which to be technically correct should actually be spelled 'psychodelic'].

Getting away from the point somewhat, but you now know what gets my goat!

I was trying to help Petra finding the bands that she is looking for not to discuss what is or what isn't psychedelic music.I don't know what is the era she wants to find--maybe with these bands I mentioned I will help her in some way.If not here is a lot of other stuff she can explore.

You know 100 people 100 explanations of what is psychedelic.I'm not so narrow minded like you may think but it's true that I'm stuck in the 60's and 70's because simply the other stuff-newer stuff leaves me cold and does not offer me any kind of joy listening to the music.And that is my basic and simplest way of thinking.Music is made for enjoying and not for phylosophing in 1000 words meaning of the "what is and what isn't".I leave that to the others and stay with my own explanation.I think everybody had his own explanation--like I think you wanted to say--how they experience the music and that is what matter's.

So I was'n defining what is psychedelic and the word """""real"""""" that you're so stucked on------I'm Slovenian as you can see and a lot of times I can't find the right word and I put the nearest word that I know(I'm not a professor of english).So that """real""" for correction---I ment kind of original---you know---the roots or something like that(and that these bands certaintly are).

So I think you are discussing here what is psychedelic and making barriers.In my own post I really can find that a was defining psychedelic and making barriers.If it's just a word ""real"" that makes that effect I'm sorry then.And than you said "if that's what you mean it'll be clearer to others if you talk of psych rather then psychedelic".I'm not sure if I undersand that sentence but are we drawering and hairsplitting??psych--psychedelic??Well,I never did that.Like the music that I really like the most is defined prog--or even psychedelic here I am.I saw that a lot of guys here like the same music so I'm happy to be here.In my town I really don't have anybody to discuss about this music.

And I'm always telling my own oppinions and definitions--my feelings experiencing the music.

Love you,man.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2004 at 16:04

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2004 at 16:31
don't ask me, I always thought of the Butthole Surfers as a psychedelic band...Stereolab too
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2004 at 17:20

Oooh Just got back from a weekend away in Prague and its great to see the suggestions still coming.

 

Harry’s Toenail -  thanks for all those recommendations you appear to be the Master of  the Psychedelic or should I say Psychodelic ….. I’ve not a clue about most of those bands except the obvious ones. Amon Duul II’s Tanz Der lemminge is perhaps my all time favourite of those. Tangerine Dream’s Electronic Meditation is one of TD album’s I never warmed to maybe its just too experimental for my tastes. Talking of experimental I see you suggest the Boredoms, a band I saw at All Tomorrows Parties this year but were a real disappointment.   Anyway I shall be investigating some of those other bands (if only I had time to check them all out)!

 

Zappa 123 – I adore Tangerine Dream and will be checking out Vanilla Fudge

 

James Lee- Stereolab isn’t a band I’d describe as psychedelic personally but excellent to chill out to though. Oh I will have to play Margerine Eclipse right now!

 

Hmmm ..were does just pure electronic or rock experimental start and psychedelic end? ..Bah it’s all too confusing for me! I just want something warm and fuzzy but with an aggressive bite, if that makes sense.. (which I doubt it does)  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2004 at 18:11

Hey I don't believe anyone mentioned Iron Butterfly's  In-A-Gadda-Divida....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2004 at 08:03
HERES ONE!! how about Iron Butterflies Ina Gadda Da Vida!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 21 2004 at 09:58
It all comes out the same in the wash, Dude!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 11:22

Zappa123 - I didn't mean to offend you like this! I think I must have gotten carried away trying to show my point and you took it personally, which I didn't intend. I wasn't trying to say you were narrow-minded as a person, but that I thought the idea of saying that the 70's stuff I had listed wasn't really psychedelic seemed to imply that for you the term was restricted to use for bands from the 60's psychedelic era. I was having a rant against the limiting definitions some people try to put on what is and what isn't psychedelic music, based more on era and particular styles than on the total psychedelic effect. Personally I try to take a very broad view rather than creating boundaries, contrary to what [I think] you think I was trying to say. I don't usually use the psych/psychedelic distinction myself. I had thought that perhaps the stuff you were saying was psychedelic rather than the stuff I'd suggested fitted more in the realm of what many other people prefer to refer to as 'psych'. I don't think much of the distinction but lots of people use it to distinguish 60's psychedelic music from the later more progressive stuff that is psychedelic; I just brought it into the conversation because I thought it might have made things clearer. Personally, I usually lump them all together because there is no real cut-off point between it all. 

Oh well, lots of misinterpretations of each other's posts - but please Zappa123, don't get too upset about anything I say, I mean no harm! I just do tend to get passionate once I start up about something but I don't intentionally snipe at people.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 11:27

^ Harry, do you realize what your toenail gets up to when you're not looking?Wink

(BTW: Where have I seen that avatar before?  Shocked Calling Emdiar! Avatar Appropriation Alert!)LOL



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 11:29
I should add that i only ever talk in terms of music genres at all in order to make some sense when trying to communicate with other people. As much as I hate pigeon-holing things it seems necessary sometimes, to avoid lengthy and boring descriptions and just get a general idea across. Of course everyone has their own idea of what 'genre names' signify so even this is not foolproof, as Zappa123 astutely pointed out. Just a little while ago I was having a heated debate with my wife about the difference between rap and hip-hop [and if there was any real difference], and after an hour or so we'd still failed to reach any real agreement
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 11:32
Zappa123, perhaps we have more in common than previously thought, as I too listen almost entirely to music from the 60's and 70's and very rarely venture into the world of 'modern' stuff [a lot of which doesn't sound so modern, except for the production, after listening to lots of the older stuff!].
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 11:49

Re: Butthole Surfers - yeah, I've always thought of them as a psychedelic band too! Until the last decade or so, that is... back in my acid-crazed days of youth they were certainly a tripping fave with me, especially 'Hairway to Steven'. I was so happy to discover them, as I started out getting into lots of psychedelic and early heavy rock and the Buttholes were the first 'modern' psychedelic band I'd found who I thought were really psychedelic - and of course early Monster Magnet!

Re: Stereolab, they've definitely done some pretty tripped-out tracks here and there, scattered across their albums.

Re: Boredoms - I hear live these days they're largely a percussive group. The album I listed is not like that, so you might still like it. I've never seen them live but friends who saw them back in their more anarchic heyday have said they were the best live band they ever saw. However they're constantly changing - and I'm not sure if they're still together now or if they're all doing their own things.

Re: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, on Julian Cope's Head Heritage site someone did a review of this album suggesting you play the title track at 45rpm for a more enjoyable version. Of course it's arguable whether it's better that way but it does sound pretty good! [also, of course, the drum solo doesn't go for as long!]

Peter Rideout - not sure what you mean there! Regarding the avatar though, I just picked it from the list of avatars when I registered, because I play bass. Didn't realise each image was for exclusive use!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 11:53

Just joking, of course! Welcome! -- any avatar clashes are for you and fellow guitar-avatar user Emdiar to sort out. Smile

(The avatars do make it easier to spot a favourite poster's words, though.)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 16:16

Italy had only one psychedelic band but was  surely the best in the world:

 

                                     LE STELLE DI MARIO SCHIFANO

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 19:17
Can somebody explain to me why American music critics were calling Man, Britain's Allman Brothers in the early 70's , especially when the band were coming out with lyrics:
I Like To Eat Bananas
Cos They Got No Bone
I Like To Smoke Marjuana
Because It Get's Me Stoned

 trouble was some folks were smoking bananas........................but not in Georgia
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2004 at 20:08
what about Phalis dei (i dont think i spelled that right sry) from amonduul 2 , serously, thats some messed up shat
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2004 at 12:36

To Harry's toenail:yeah we have to stick together.I took it a little bit personal but the harm wasn't done.

I understand you now and I think nobody here is narrow minded.But the truth is that other people a lot of times actually think so.You know: man you're really stucked in 70's they're saying.I was a little bit carried away because I heard so many times this.And then I thought--oh man even here with the progers I must to hear that too.Heh.

So keep on progin'

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2004 at 12:54

Don't understand a word of this-but it's lovely to see a bit of passion about the forum again!

Zappa123 & Harry's Toenail (2 great names for psyka, psycho, erm hippy- trippy bandsWinkLOL) why are you so worried about upsetting each other-just go with what you believeThumbs Up




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