Gildenlow Ticks Me Off

DAVA wrote: Gildenlow sticks to his believes, and I guess we can't complain, his music wouldn't be the same if he were not another idealistic Swede. Many artists left the States when it started to go down this rode (e.g. Hemingway), yet we were not deprived of their art. It could be worse, his records could not be sold in the States. Is is hypocritical of him to sell his records here then? He is helping the market-driven US economy, so? I don't think he is punishing his fans for being Americans, he is punishing Americans for allowing America to be what it is. It is true that they are not at immediate fault, and all this America bashing is not that senseless. It is Americans from the 1920s and a modern world that sought the answer in industrialization and mass production. I guess it is a matter of how selfish you are. I am taking advantage of the States and going to school here. I understand him, and I am upset I can't see PoS live (because they probably will never go to Colombia either), yet I respect him for his ideals.

 
Probably this will remain the best post in this topic IMHO.

I also think it's hilarious that he spends an entire album crying and fuming about the evils of capitalism and selling things, yet he sells music. 

stonebeard wrote: Pain of salvation is not that big of a band. They don't have tons of cash to get on a plane, come to a country where their fanbase is spread out and they get harassed a airports. How can you blame them?

sleeper wrote: Avantgardehead wrote: I also think it's hilarious that he spends an entire album crying and fuming about the evils of capitalism and selling things, yet he sells music.  I find it hilarious the way people simplify things so much that what they say is pointless.

Same to you, buddy!

sleeper wrote: ~Rael~ wrote:   Flower Kings came. . .   And Sleeper, I think he made a valid point.   I believe The Flower Kings spend a lot of their own money to get to the states and only play in certain places were they are confident of a sell out, or near as anyway. And no, I dont think Avantgardhead made a valid point, we all live in a monetry bassed economy, which means we have to pay for everything. That includes recording, producing, mixing and mastering a CD/DVD and they've got to recoupe the cost somehow, so they need to sell the album, especially since its InsideOut paying for it. Regardless of what people think of his stance on America, you cant acuse him of living in his own private world.

Deathrabbit wrote: Off topic kinda call me cynical, but I really don't think there's a one to one correlation between voting and the state of the gov't. Democracy is basically just a ploy to keep people from rebelling by giving the illusion of choice. Maybe I've just seen too much X-Files, but I'm pretty sure behind every powerful gov't, there is a cigarette smoking man.

I'm not saying that the big corporations don't have a part in governmental business, but the people is much more important to a government than you may think. Since the American Revolution and the French Revolution the right of resistance against tyrannical governments is a basic right, defended even by the constitution. However, people don't mind a thing if their life is smooth and easygoing, no matter if there is people somewhere suffering so they can have comfort. That is why, in the past 20 years, there have been so few political problems between the citizens and their government, at least in the developed countries.

The TL;DR version: people will only move their asses if someone in the government screw up big time and, besides that, they are facing some crisis (like starvation, excessive taxes, natural disasters, etc).

Avantgardehead wrote: He's also selling politics with Scarsick, which goes more directly against the concept than just selling music.

As I stated in my review of the album, its hard to put much belief into the political views asserted in the album when website entries are very self-congratulatory about reaching the top of European metal charts. I don't know, it just seems like sometimes the more steadfast someone is in their identity the more their identity crisis comes into sharp relief.  

Avantgardehead wrote: I also think it's hilarious that he spends an entire album crying and fuming about the evils of capitalism and selling things, yet he sells music.

How else is he supposed to get his message across? he and the entire world exists within the capitalistic system. Thats the way it works. i read a good quote by Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine who was defending the band selling records when their message was inherently anti-capitalistic. i cant find the interview but he says basically the same thing i did. Its the way things work right now.
No offense of course and i dont want to sound harsh, but i kinda find comments like that a little ignorant and arogant.

I don't care what the message is in the album, or if it's merely supposed to be simply the opinions of a character from The Perfect Element. I don't care what kind of person Daniel is. I just care about the music as a whole. And frankly, it wasn't too good on Scarsick.

Edited by Moatilliatta - September 30 2008 at 22:18

WinterLight wrote: Avantgardehead wrote: It just seems hilariously hypocritical and pretentious to me. If I were all of the sudden anti-capitalist, I'd put all my music on my website to be freely downloaded. And you'd probably starve.

Obviously not since I have a job and other investments at the moment.

I don't dislike the album or the guy because he's "using his resources", it's just the irony of venomously damning selling things while turning around and selling things like music, politics, and sleaze that irks me.