Gildenlow Ticks Me Off
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Topic: Gildenlow Ticks Me Off
Posted By: ~Rael~
Subject: Gildenlow Ticks Me Off
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 17:42
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PoS is my favorite band. And they won't tour here. And it makes me angry. I kind of get why Gildenlow won't, and kind of like how he is sticking to his beliefs, but I would really like to see them live. I mean, come on, why do you have to punish your fans, when a lot of them probably agree with you? Oh well, just makes me angry when I think about it. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 17:58
| Writing off an entire country of people based on the actions of a few prominent individuals seems inherently ignorant to me. In fact it's really similar to what the US gov't is doing to the middle east right now. Hate and ignorance begats more hate and ignorance I suppose. No wonder our world is tumbling snowball of suck. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 19:27
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I don't really know what to say, my 3rd favorite band.
Putting his beliefs over his fans...nothing wrong with that I guess, but he isn't being a generous one. |
Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 19:59
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The people in the US aren't THE US. It's silly, selfish and ignorant to punish his fans, many of whom would go to great lengths to see the band live.
------------- "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST." -FZ |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 20:09
| Ask them to play Toronto, we'll make the trek. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 20:25
That is why you have to vote, you know? Like it or not the government represents the people of a whole country and if some dumf*ck is the head of office thats is because the people chose him to be such. Are you unhappy? Then VOTE, for PROG sake, and choose someone good to be the president. BTW, the american way of voting is many things but fair. What kind of democratic country have one person's vote to be more important than other votes (delegates / superdelegates)? -------------   
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MonkeyphoneAlex wrote:Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:19
Easier said than done. Especially when you're 17. ------------- "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST." -FZ |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:21
Now you all know how I feel when all the bands I love don´t come to my country. But, and I don´t want to sound rude, I think it´s kind of stupid how you bitch and moan. One band doesn´t come to the USA and you get all worked up. Someone said that not going to the USA was selfish. Not going anywhere is selfish, deal with it. Some people jsut can´t handle not being the center of the world all the time. ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:37
But not great enough to leave country, I suppose.
I'm more than happy just to listen to their music, personally. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:39
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Works for me, I hate the band. Seriously, though, I feel bad for the OP and the US fans. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 22:48
| I was very sad when I learned Green Carnation will no longer tour. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 23 2008 at 23:13
It is also easier said than done when at least one of the candidates or parties is actually worthy of our votes. Unfortunately, neither party or candidate is going to do what is best for the people of this country. ------------- 
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Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 00:39
| You guys are hilarious. |
Posted By: heyitsthatguy
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 00:49
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 00:51
You think that's bad? Sieges Even broke up.  -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 01:14
the thing is that people don 't care about anything. They don't want to think, they want to go with the flow. Just like Zappa, i think that the solution is the vote and the political action. Don't like politics? become a politic and defend your point of view and encourage people to do so.if everybody were more involved in politics, the world would be a really better place. I mean, for example, many wars or diplomatic and economical conflicts would just no exist. -------------
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Posted By: DAVA
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 01:21
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Gildenlow sticks to his believes, and I guess we can't complain, his music wouldn't be the same if he were not another idealistic Swede. Many artists left the States when it started to go down this rode (e.g. Hemingway), yet we were not deprived of their art. It could be worse, his records could not be sold in the States. Is is hypocritical of him to sell his records here then? He is helping the market-driven US economy, so? I don't think he is punishing his fans for being Americans, he is punishing Americans for allowing America to be what it is. It is true that they are not at immediate fault, and all this America bashing is not that senseless. It is Americans from the 1920s and a modern world that sought the answer in industrialization and mass production. I guess it is a matter of how selfish you are. I am taking advantage of the States and going to school here. I understand him, and I am upset I can't see PoS live (because they probably will never go to Colombia either), yet I respect him for his ideals. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 03:13
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He strikes me as a very pretentious and difficult person. You can tell by looking at him in the band photos, all sneery and cocky-looking. Oh well, I don't like Pain of Salvation anymore (along with most metal these days) so I doesn't really matter to me! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 03:22
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Please ensure that posts are respectful both to the artist and to our multi-national membership.
It is OK to make your point strongly, but without the use of profanity and without direct attacks on individuals or their beliefs.
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 05:22
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Why should Gildenlow go to the US, if he feels, like a lot of non-USA citizens, that the process is akin to getting mugged?
I don't see anything negative there for him, only for the USA, regardless if the blame is to be laid on the population or the CHOSEN few.
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Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 10:00
Exactly. I'd love to go to the US more often, but not at the expense of being treated like a hostile, unworthy fool by just about every official authority. And not at the expense of leaving all my personal data in a database for causes and uses unknown.
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 13:34
Probably this will remain the best post in this topic IMHO. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 13:47
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Pain of salvation is not that big of a band. They don't have tons of cash to get on a plane, come to a country where their fanbase is spread out and they get harassed a airports. How can you blame them?
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 15:24
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I also think it's hilarious that he spends an entire album crying and fuming about the evils of capitalism and selling things, yet he sells music.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 16:05
I find it hilarious the way people simplify things so much that what they say is pointless. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: September 24 2008 at 17:03
Flower Kings came. . .
And Sleeper, I think he made a valid point.
Hey, I don't cry about it or anything. It just sucks, for me and other PoS fans.
And I will vote, trust me. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 00:09
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I still think he really needs to get over himself. If I had a band I'd tour wherever I could, because I'd want people to hear my music whether they were dirty commies, fascist capitalist pigs, or any of the range between. Besides, wouldn't his message be better to be heard in the US? After all, he's basically just preaching to the choir right now. Off topic kinda call me cynical, but I really don't think there's a one to one correlation between voting and the state of the gov't. Democracy is basically just a ploy to keep people from rebelling by giving the illusion of choice. Maybe I've just seen too much X-Files, but I'm pretty sure behind every powerful gov't, there is a cigarette smoking man. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 03:26
Same to you, buddy! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 05:49
I believe The Flower Kings spend a lot of their own money to get to the states and only play in certain places were they are confident of a sell out, or near as anyway. And no, I dont think Avantgardhead made a valid point, we all live in a monetry bassed economy, which means we have to pay for everything. That includes recording, producing, mixing and mastering a CD/DVD and they've got to recoupe the cost somehow, so they need to sell the album, especially since its InsideOut paying for it. Regardless of what people think of his stance on America, you cant acuse him of living in his own private world. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 17:31
Sure I can:
Gildenlow lives in his own provate world.
Done and done. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 18:37
Really, whats a provate world?  ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 19:02
I'm not saying that the big corporations don't have a part in governmental business, but the people is much more important to a government than you may think. Since the American Revolution and the French Revolution the right of resistance against tyrannical governments is a basic right, defended even by the constitution. However, people don't mind a thing if their life is smooth and easygoing, no matter if there is people somewhere suffering so they can have comfort. That is why, in the past 20 years, there have been so few political problems between the citizens and their government, at least in the developed countries. The TL;DR version: people will only move their asses if someone in the government screw up big time and, besides that, they are facing some crisis (like starvation, excessive taxes, natural disasters, etc). -------------
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 26 2008 at 05:24
He's also selling politics with Scarsick, which goes more directly against the concept than just selling music. 
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 11:43
As I stated in my review of the album, its hard to put much belief into the political views asserted in the album when website entries are very self-congratulatory about reaching the top of European metal charts. I don't know, it just seems like sometimes the more steadfast someone is in their identity the more their identity crisis comes into sharp relief. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 14:03
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I can´t believe people keep on forgeting that Scarsick is written from the point of view of one of the TPE characters! Of course it´s Gildenlow writting all, but keep in mind he is also doing it from perspective of "He", not that much from his own...
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 18:42
How else is he supposed to get his message across? he and the entire world exists within the capitalistic system. Thats the way it works. i read a good quote by Tom Morello from Rage Against the Machine who was defending the band selling records when their message was inherently anti-capitalistic. i cant find the interview but he says basically the same thing i did. Its the way things work right now. No offense of course and i dont want to sound harsh, but i kinda find comments like that a little ignorant and arogant. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 19:07
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It just seems hilariously hypocritical and pretentious to me. If I were all of the sudden anti-capitalist, I'd put all my music on my website to be freely downloaded. It all comes off like a salesperson selling you something that helps you avoid salespeople... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: September 30 2008 at 22:17
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I don't care what the message is in the album, or if it's merely supposed to be simply the opinions of a character from The Perfect Element. I don't care what kind of person Daniel is. I just care about the music as a whole. And frankly, it wasn't too good on Scarsick. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: WinterLight
Date Posted: September 30 2008 at 22:28
And you'd probably starve. One can have ideals yet not be utopian in realizing those ideals: that this is not tantamount to hypocrisy or pretense is clear. To not use one's resources in achieving broad goals seems silly and myopic to me. To be sure, Marx and Engles had no objection to such practical considerations. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: October 01 2008 at 03:37
Obviously not since I have a job and other investments at the moment. I don't dislike the album or the guy because he's "using his resources", it's just the irony of venomously damning selling things while turning around and selling things like music, politics, and sleaze that irks me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: October 02 2008 at 15:08
And you'd obviously not be anti-capitalist if you had a job and investments. Ironic, yes. Hypocritical, no. If Gildenlow was singing about this stuff and making money on it, but didn't actually believe any of it (but was selling it to people who did), THAT would be hypocrisy. As it is, he has to make a living somehow, and giving his albums away isn't going to do it. He's a musician, so to survive in the world right now, he has no choice but to sell his music (assuming he still wants to be a musician and not beg on street corners). |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: October 02 2008 at 15:30
This is where it becomes iffy since this is a concept album written from a fictitious character's point-of-view, so he might not believe any of it but he might. A bit of a gray area, I think. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: October 02 2008 at 15:36
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This thread is becoming perhaps the most shallow debate over political philosophy that I've ever encountered. Let's just make two things clear: 1) Not even communists are against making money. They just advocate another system of distribution of that income (and, incidentally, one that is totally inefficient and useless and which lowers productivity). 2) If Gildenlöw would have had "making money" as his number one preoccupation, he would have been playing something other than progressive metal. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 02 2008 at 20:10
Well listen to PoS's other albums, we know that he's pretty much anti- capitalist but Scarsick is just that much more extreme for the sake of the concept. Unless he's been BSing for more than 10 years streight in his albums and all over the web then we can safely assume that this isnt a grey area. What I cant understand is your all or nothing attitude.. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: October 03 2008 at 03:25
Eh, that's how I am. I have my views and you all have yours, so let's all just move along. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |