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zcoutboy 
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 Posted: September 14 2008 at 19:22 |
I believe they clipped it so much to get a more trashy or garage like sound...... do not personally like the the distortion but still enjoy the songs 
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darkshade
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Posted: September 14 2008 at 22:40 |
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why does everyone who refers to thrash call it trash? or trashy? get it right
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 02:56 |
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^ I think in this instance he may indeed have meant "trashy" ... as in "lo-fi".
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 05:13 |
My official version is much better (not perfect - the chorus clips like crazy);
Edited by Certif1ed - September 15 2008 at 05:14
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debrewguy
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magnus
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Posted: September 16 2008 at 14:41 |
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Seriously, I can't believe how awful this album sounds. The clipping/distortion is just horrible. I first listened to the album after listening to some of Ride the Lightning first, and after listening for a few seconds, it felt like my ears were going to bleed. I can't believe how it's possible for Metallica to make an album sound so terrible.
So in conclusion, I think Metallica may just have won the Loudness Wars!
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Tapfret
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Posted: September 18 2008 at 19:50 |
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A good friend of mine is a sound designer for Sony and has been complaining about this issue for years. He states that the majority of mastering for major record labels results in clipped out dynamics. It all goes to 11. He gets frustrated because it becomes very problematic when trying to incorporate these recordings into his work.
Edited by Tapfret - September 18 2008 at 19:51
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Certif1ed
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 09:09 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 10:21 |
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I certainly agree that there's something wrong ... however, if it's true that the mixes were already too heavily compressed ... how can the GH version sound any better? Well, we can only hope that the album was recorded digitally, so there's a chance that a previous version of the mix exists (which would be one explanation for the GH version sounding better).
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 11:39 |
I got sent flacs of the GH version - they're MUCH better.
As the reports say, when you turn the volume up, it just sounds fuller, and you want to keep turning the volume up for more of that sweet sound.
Try the same thing with the CD (or the 320Kbs official download), and it's a completely different story - at a certain level, it "barks" - it just sounds uncomfortable and unmusical. When you get to the quieter bits, the sound artifacts all over the place - it's horrible.
Apparently the vinyl is the worst... guess which format I've got  (and it only turned up today - I'm not impressed that I ordered it direct from Mission Metallica 2 weeks in advance and got it a whole week late).
I hope that seeing reports in NME and Rolling Stone will encourage Metallica to issue a properly mixed version - and recall the trash, but somehow I doubt it.
Pity - most of the album is really good (although I still hate the ballads). "The End of The Line" followed by "That Was Just Your Life" are my faves at the moment.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 13:48 |
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^ the way I hear it it's simply distorted. How much you hear it depends on the quality of the speakers and the level ... when I first listened to the album at work I didn't notice anything bad about it, because I was listening at low volume. But on the train, with the Sennheiser in-ear headphones, I immediately heard the distortion.
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Ozzloaf
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 19:57 |
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mystic fred
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 10:05 |
well....i cheated 
my vinyl and CD digipak copies of "DMag" STILL HADN'T TURNED UP, so this morning, during my weekly foray braving the horrors of the high street - where do you think i ended up in my sleepy haze (i was woken up at 3 am by a mini-revolution in my street - motorbikes, swearing, the sound of breaking glass, just an average domestic dispute  ) ..?
HMV 
Metallica was taunting me from the racks, it was only a tenner, so i now find myself the proud owner of the bog-standard CD copy of this long awaited opus (cute booklet) - on listening i am pleasantly surprised this turns out not to be the sonic disaster i had expected from all accounts - ok the eq is rather too forward though not uncomfortably so....hey, guys, this is Metal !!
As for the music - all the Metallica riffs, hooks, palm muted guitars, acoustic bits mixed with driving beats are all back there, good songs (Master meets ...And Justice / Black album), a real head banger, it rocks!! 
good stuff guys! 
One which will become part of my Rega Apollo for some time to come - until the vinyl turns up anyway...
Edited by mystic fred - September 20 2008 at 10:07
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cobb2
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Posted: September 21 2008 at 07:43 |
After listening to it, I can only say- pretty ordinary... Nothing to do with the overall sound- this I would say, was an effort, though a bad one, at getting that original Metallica sound. The songs are just - well- ordinary. But then, the only album I truly liked was black, so who am I to say.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: September 21 2008 at 08:10 |
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Those kind of articles, are doing the rounds at heaps of other forum boards too. It's pretty sad the GH version sounds far better and they couldn't even do that for the album version. Hopefully that problem is rectified one day.
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mystic fred
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Posted: September 22 2008 at 01:56 |
i found the CD to be better sound quality than some other newly-released CD's i have, though i think in this case the answer would be for Vertigo to release a DVD-A version of the album - this uses DVD technology so much more information can be stored on one disc, rejecting the need for compression, or why don't they just release two CD'S?  still waiting for the Vinyl copy, will comment on that soon i hope.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: September 22 2008 at 02:27 |
They don't need to release a DVD-A version of it. They need to go back to the mix (which was already super hot and clipping before they even mastered it  ) and fix that (at the expense of idiot record label executives probably saying "ZOMG BUT LOUDER IS BETTER!"). It's that simple really.
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debrewguy
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Posted: September 22 2008 at 13:01 |
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Er, and the heap of CDs already sold , who re-imburses the buyer ? I would be very surprised to hear of any re-issue as the originals returned for refund would bankrupt the label. Not morally bankrupt. They are already that. Financially.
And again ... what success has the Rush - Vapour Trails remix petition had ? None, not even a peep from the label, or the band.
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mystic fred
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Posted: September 23 2008 at 01:48 |
they should make a multi - track version available so we could do our own mixing and mastering on the PC , i'm sure most fans would do a better job than they seem to... 
Edited by mystic fred - September 23 2008 at 01:49
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