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Points: 864 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2008 at 11:00
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Hmmm. I do remember reading that in Italy they're as big as Pink Floyd, but here in Denmark they're total and utter nobodies.
 
In countries like Germany, Belgium, France, and (especially) Italy, they're definitely a known entity (although Italy was the only place where they could legitimately be called superstars).
 
I know for a fact that they never played in Denmark (I'm not even sure that Hammill has played there solo, and he's played almost everywhere!) so I would imagine they're pretty obscure there!
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Well, "Pawn Hearts" reached Nr. 1 in the French charts too.I remember the book about Genesis by Armando Gallo included a list of some of the charts of other countries to show how high "Nursery Cryme" climbed in them (they were 4th in the Italian charts, if I remember right), and "Pawn Hearts" was at the top in the Italian and French ones.


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VdGG did have a pretty big following in France but they never had a #1 there (album or single). They did fill some pretty big auditoriums though (check out the YouTube clip of them performing Lost at a soldout show at the Paris Bataclan in '72). I have some 70's boots from France and you can hear by the crowds on these (several thousand in attendance) that VdGG had at least a huge underground fan base.
 
I do know the Armando Gallo Genesis book (I interviewed Armando a few times for our VdGG book) and the Chart picture you're talking about. It's from the Italian magazine Ciao 2001, Feb '72. VdGG's Pawn Hearts is at numero uno and you're right about Genesis' Nursery Cryme being at #4. Also on there are PFM at #2, ELP #3, and various others (Zeppelin 4, Yes Fragile, etc).
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Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

VdGG did have a pretty big following in France but they never had a #1 there (album or single). They did fill some pretty big auditoriums though (check out the YouTube clip of them performing Lost at a soldout show at the Paris Bataclan in '72). I have some 70's boots from France and you can hear by the crowds on these (several thousand in attendance) that VdGG had at least a huge underground fan base.
 
I do know the Armando Gallo Genesis book (I interviewed Armando a few times for our VdGG book) and the Chart picture you're talking about. It's from the Italian magazine Ciao 2001, Feb '72. VdGG's Pawn Hearts is at numero uno and you're right about Genesis' Nursery Cryme being at #4. Also on there are PFM at #2, ELP #3, and various others (Zeppelin 4, Yes Fragile, etc).

There are 2 chart pictures in that book which show "Pawn Hearts" at the top, if I remember right. One is from France and one from Italy. I would really be surprised if my memory is faulty here. It is, however, possible that I saw a different edition of the book.
The website "List of the day" also names "Pawn Hearts" as being number one in France and Italy, by the way.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:


There are 2 chart pictures in that book which show "Pawn Hearts" at the top, if I remember right. One is from France and one from Italy. I would really be surprised if my memory is faulty here. It is, however, possible that I saw a different edition of the book.
The website "List of the day" also names "Pawn Hearts" as being number one in France and Italy, by the way.
 
There definitely are not two chart postings in Armando's book (his book was my bible for several years from the time I bought it in '80). There is only the Italian chart listing which shows VdGG at #1 with Pawn Hearts.
 
I'm not sure how high Pawn Hearts charted in France (or if it even charted at all) but it definitely didn't make #1. The band themselves would have known about it and knowing them personally I can tell you that it would be news to them after all these years. If there was any justice, though, that album would have been a #1 best seller all over the world.
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Points: 10261 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2008 at 07:44
There were 4 chart postings on the same page in that book even, at least in the edition I read. As said before, maybe you have a different edition of the book. You most probably have, since I read a German edition.

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Pawn Hearts was No. 1 in Italy for 12 weeks.ClapClapClap
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I know that his initial book was 'Genesis: Evolution of a Rock Band', which he then updated and self-published (D.I.Y. Books, no less!) as 'I Know What I Like'. Then he did a sort of updated cliff notes version of that book called 'From One Fan To Another'. I'll ask Armando about a German (or any other) edition of his book where there were more charts posted and post his response.
 
It dawned on me that the real tell-tale sign of Pawn Hearts' initial success in France is to look at their itinerary for '71 and '72. They played only a handful of French gigs (you can literally count the number on one hand). It wasn't until the second time around ('75 on) that they did extensive touring there. Charisma and Stratton-Smith would have had them saturate the French market if Pawn Hearts was number one there. They did three major Italian tours in '72 when the album was #1 in that country; in fact, the consensus is that they probably played there too much that year (and it definitely contributed to their breaking up in August of '72).
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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 19 2008 at 22:00
You know who also sounds a bit like Hammill? Hillage in Khan!


And I remember Bruce Dickinson calling out Hammill as a mayor inspiration. He truly is a singers singer as someone here said
"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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