Funkadelic for space rock/ heavy prog?

micky wrote: unclemeat69 wrote: Tony R wrote: I've an idea to just add every band that ever released an album. However the Allmusic Guide beat us to it. Here's an idea, just add "progressive" to every musical genre and we can find an excuse to include everyone! Progressive Soul. Progressive Rhythm and Blues. Progressive Punk. Progressive funk. Progressive Country, Progressive Disco. Neither has Bachman-Turner Overdrive or Foghat. OK, I did suggest BTO for its' jazz rock songs like Blue Collar, Welcome Home, ROck is my Life, Lookin Out for Number One. But that was when I was arguing against Miles Davis' inclusion at PA. in that case, could we all agree NEVER to add AC/DC (however much I like 'em)?   hahahha. for sh*ts and giggles need to do a forum search...  has AC/DC EVER been suggested for inclusion here. Seems like everyone else has at least once hahahha

I don't see it being added now.  I thought it had a real case for Related, and would have liked to see it in, but as Tony R said (even though i don't agree, but I'm not an admin who can the make the call on such things):

Tony R wrote: There's nothing wrong with discussing these things but I'd like to propose a new category: Progressive Leemoresilly... Sums things up perfectly.

Tony R wrote: I've an idea to just add every band that ever released an album. However the Allmusic Guide beat us to it. Here's an idea, just add "progressive" to every musical genre and we can find an excuse to include everyone! Progressive Soul. Progressive Rhythm and Blues. Progressive Punk. Progressive funk. Progressive Country, Progressive Disco.

We don't have to agree, but admins make the call on Proto-Prog and Prog-Related matters, and since those were, I think, very discouraging words against the notion, I considered the matter strictly academic after that.


Edited by Logan - June 01 2010 at 14:20

Maybe because Ron Geesin was proposed just two weeks before you proposed it, and so was already being considered that people didn't respond to your thread (would have been better to do a  search first and bump that thread):

Topic: Ron Geesin
Forum: Suggest New Bands and Artists

Additionally, maybe more people have an opinion of Funkadelic (at least one they wish to share).  Note that this topic only one got one response (from me) during its first ten days of existence and was started by someone who only posted once.

Also note that "controversial" acts tend to get more debate and discussion (but I'm quite sure had there not been a  very recent thread already on Geesin that you would have received a response  (note: I have merged your topic with the older one).  I proposed Morricone, along with an act he was in called The Feedback, fully expecting a big debate, but that wasn't getting any responses (bumped it several weeks alter).  I've made many suggestions in the past that went uncommented on.  These days with the addition of a suggestions monitor, most do get comments.

What do mean by the word "progressive"?  Do you mean that the guitar solo doesn't progress?


Edited by Logan - June 01 2010 at 15:52

I meant the structure of the song is not progressive, though making a 10 minute solo song is quite innovative, gotta admit that.

And I did search for Ron Geesin thread but got no answers :/ but it's all right now

Hey, this is my first post, and I think that Parliament/Funkadelic should at least get a nod as Prog Related, if not Space Rock. I don't have an incredibly trained ear, but a lot of the arrangements seem fairly complex to me, and it would be foolish to deny the jazz elements of a lot of the songs. Add to that the mythology, themes and sheer goofy-but-awesome operatic qualities of the stage shows and stories and you have a band that seems pretty proggy to me. 

Logan wrote: 40footwolf wrote: Hey, this is my first post, and I think that Parliament/Funkadelic should at least get a nod as Prog Related, if not Space Rock. I don't have an incredibly trained ear, but a lot of the arrangements seem fairly complex to me, and it would be foolish to deny the jazz elements of a lot of the songs. Add to that the mythology, themes and sheer goofy-but-awesome operatic qualities of the stage shows and stories and you have a band that seems pretty proggy to me.  Welcome to PA, and I agree with you.  I think P-Funk would be a very good fit for Prog Related, not only because of the music and themes, but also because they have cited Prog as an influence -- I remember that being mentioned in the One Nation Under a Groove documentary ) and have heard it elsewhere.  Also, they have influenced various funky prog acts (though it's really the funk part that they influenced, as they have influenced a whole host of funky/ funk acts, and not specifically the prog part of the equation, but still one can say that they influenced prog). Even though I think P-Funk, or at least Funkadelic, would be a good fit for Prog Related, getting a band into PR  is a long and elaborate process.

Honestly, P/F as an entry in Prog Related makes waaaaaay more sense to me than David Bowie. 

I don't know about Nine Inch Nails (that's Crossover, though, which like all "prog" categories, has  a different process than Prog Related for entry), but I actually think Bowie has merit. Just for Berlin albums alone, I think he has significant merit (or should I say especially for that?) Listen to the albums Heroes and Low again (or if you don't know them, listen to them). I supported Bowie for PA, and believe that he does fit the necessary criteria that one must satisfy to qualify for Prog Related status. I think he has a case for Crossover.

That said, those are apples and oranges comparisons, and each must be considered on its own merits.  There is a procedure that should be followed to get an album in Prog Related that is difficult. It requires a strong case that meets various criteria, and it requires a Special Collaborator to present a case to the Prog Related team which consists of Admin (and that Special Collaborator must agree to add the biography and albums if accepted) before they will even consider it. It's a lot of work preparing the case, then taking care of the addition.

If you would agree to write a good, original bio and add the discography if it is approved, then I would be willing to present the case to Prog Related, but using examples of one's that are in that you think are weak to make a case for one which you think stronger does not help with this case (and they're not even similar enough to help make any case).

If you look through the thread, I think you'll find that I'm in the minority though, and this would count as controversial since most don't support it. I'd need to do more research to try to make a really solid case since in PR it is not only the music that counts, but also the reputation, and other factors play their part. Of course the thoughtful arguments you make here will also play their part, and the stronger, better-researched the case you make, the more likely it would be seriously considered.

One thing that could really help since solid arguments/ reasons are really important for admin to take these seriously would be for you to list the bands that Parliament/Funkadelic influenced, and really flesh out how it was influenced by Prog (it's specific relations). Also, adding a band to Prr is conidered exceptional, so one must explain what makes this exceptional (it also helps if you find other prog sites that list P-Funk).  I've noted that the Prog Related definition/ explanation has changed, but I haven't had a chance to read through it yet. Use that as the context for your arguments.

Considering the resistance to this in PA that I have seen, I do think it's a bit of a long shot, but worth a try if people are willing to make a concerted effort to get it seriously considered for PA.  The more detailed and exhaustive the arguments, the better.


Edited by Logan - August 25 2010 at 23:21

Entering Funkadelic in Prog-Related wouldn't bother me the slightest

Edited by Sean Trane - August 26 2010 at 03:18