Logan wrote: P-Funk is more than funk.  If only that documentary was still up on youtube, it gives a very good overview (of course r&b is a strong component).  They had what I would call a progressive funk-rock mixed with psyche phase.  I think there are  a lot of great progressive funk bands -- especially jazz-funk rock  (wish prog funk was, if not a category here, funk was a tag here). Check out this live performance from '79.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAn0DU3qcuo&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAn0DU3qcuo&feature=related (sure it's bluesy)

1. Free your Mind and your Ass will Follow
2. Funkadelic
3. Maggot Brain
4. America Eats it's Young
5. Lat's Take it to the Stage
6. Uncle Jam Wants You
7. Who's a Funkafelic

No traces of Prog, it's Funk with Psyche reminiscences, but nothing more, it's pure R&B. We are not Funk Archives, We are not Jazxz Archives, We are not Pop Archives, we are Prog Archives for God's sake, and each day we're abandoning everything Prog means.

Wow! Well done, Ivan! OK, maybe P-Funk does not belong in the Archives because there is no sub-genre yet that exists for which they would classify. However,  if you insist on pigeonholing them strictly within the Funk/R&B genre, then you must admit that there was no band nor has there ever been a band like P-Funk. They funked harder than all the others, and they funked more progressively than all the others, no pun intended, including KC and EWF. Besides, no one said anything about adding the latter two to the Archives.

Yes, it's silly, specially  for a lawyer that types all day.

Yes, they had some Psyche elements but again, we are talking mainly about a R&B/Funk band, and you should remember that not all Psychedelic bands are Prog Related, there are thousands that are not and will never be listed here.

wikipedia wrote: 1970s and P-Funk In the 1970s, a new group of musicians further developed the "funk rock" approach innovated by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clinton_%28funk_musician%29 - George Clinton , with his main bands http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_%28band%29 - Parliament and, later, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkadelic - Funkadelic . Together, they produced a new kind of funk sound heavily influenced by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz - jazz and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_rock - psychedelic rock . The two groups had members in common and often are referred to singly as "Parliament-Funkadelic." The breakout popularity of Parliament-Funkadelic gave rise to the term " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-Funk - P-Funk ," which referred to the music by George Clinton's bands, and defined a new subgenre. "P-funk" also came to mean something in its quintessence, of superior quality, or sui generis, as in the lyrics from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-Funk_%28Wants_to_Get_Funked_Up%29 - P-Funk (Wants to Get Funked Up) " a hit single from Parliament's album " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothership_Connection - Mothership Connection ":

Parliament

On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothership_Connection - Mothership Connection (1975), the first track, "P Funk", concerns a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_jockey - DJ character, who inspired the Lollypop Man (alias the Long Haired Sucker). According to Clinton (who shares credit for the song with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Worrell - Bernie Worrell and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootsy_Collins - Bootsy Collins ), he was frustrated that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio - radio stations refused to play his songs and invented his own station (called W-E-F-U-N-K) and a DJ to man it.

On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothership_Connection - Mothership Connection (1975), Starchild first appeared (inspired equally by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Ra - Sun Ra 's " http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_Noah&action=edit&redlink=1 - Black Noah " and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus - Jesus ); he is a divine alien being, who came to earth from a spaceship (his arrival is "the Mothership Connection") to bring the holy Funk (with a capital "F": the cause of creation and source of energy and all life), to humanity. As it turns out (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clones_of_Dr._Funkenstein - The Clones of Dr. Funkenstein , 1976), Starchild secretly worked for Dr. Funkenstein, the intergalactic master of outer space Funk, who is capable of fixing all of man’s ills, because the "bigger the headache, the bigger the pill" and he’s the "big pill" (" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Funkenstein - Dr. Funkenstein ," from The Clones of Dr. Funkenstein). Dr. Funkenstein’s predecessors had encoded the secrets of Funk in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids - Pyramids because humanity wasn’t ready for its existence until the modern era. The titular "clones" are the Children of Productions whose job is to ensure that everyone is on the One.

Starchild’s nemesis is Sir Nose D’Voidoffunk ("Sir Nose Devoid of Funk" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkentelechy_Vs._the_Placebo_Syndrome - Funkentelechy Vs. the Placebo Syndrome , 1977). Inspired by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pinocchio_Theory - The Pinocchio Theory of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootsys_Rubber_Band - Bootsy's Rubber Band , Sir Nose attempts to end the Funk because he is too cool to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance - dance . He is the master of the Placebo Syndrome, which causes unFunkiness (a combination of stupidity and no dancing). His goal is to place the minds of all humanity into a state called the Zone of Zero Funkativity. Starchild, on the other hand, uses his Bop Gun (" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bop_Gun_%28Endangered_Species%29 - Bop Gun (Endangered Species) ," from Funkentelechy Vs the Placebo Syndrome) to achieve Funk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entelechy - entelechy for all humanity. With the Funky powers of the Bop Gun (which are augmented by the Flash Light....Shine the light on them suckas!!!), Starchild causes Sir Nose to reach Funkentelechy, and find his Funky soul. He then dances away the night.

Sir Nose’s return (along with ally Rumpofsteelskin) is detailed on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Booty_Affair - Motor Booty Affair (1978). Here, Sir Nose is too cool to dance or swim, but Mr. Wiggles and the good citizens of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis - Atlantis (a place where one can swim underwater without getting wet) cause Sir Nose to dance the Aqua Boogie.

On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloryhallastoopid - Gloryhallastoopid (1979), Clinton flips the script on "Theme From The Black Hole" (later sampled by Digital Underground for "Same Song") and allows Sir Nose to win one battle by turning Star Child into a mule (the bad guy winning in the end?). Sir Nose’s machinations are undone three tracks later by the Big Bang Theory, which reveals that the Funk caused the creation of the universe, though the only legible clue is the etheral backing vocal line, "So we the clones were designed."

Sir Nose’s last appearance is on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trombipulation - Trombipulation (1979), where he traces his ancestry back to the Cro-Nasal Sapiens, who were especially Funky, leading Sir Nose to reclaim his Funky heritage, along with his son, Sir Nose Jr.

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Funkadelic

Funkadelic albums are rather more ethereal and abstract when compared to Parliament’s. Rather than tell the story of a cast of characters, the mythology of Funkadelic is a socially conscious spiritualism.

The Funk is described on the very first song (" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mommy,_Whats_a_Funkadelic%3F - Mommy, What's a Funkadelic? ") of the very first Funkadelic album ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funkadelic_%28album%29 - Funkadelic , 1970), in the lines "... my name is Funk/I am not of your world/Hold still, baby, I won't do you no harm/I think I'll be good to you".

On the second album, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Your_Mind..._And_Your_Ass_Will_Follow - Free Your Mind... And Your Ass Will Follow (1971), Funk is said to lead to the Kingdom of heaven, which is described as being "within" (the titular song). " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funky_Dollar_Bill - Funky Dollar Bill " (off the same album) describes multiple unFunky priorities, all revolving around materialism and consumerism, which have taken over all that is good and true in society (including, on " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eulogy_and_Light - Eulogy and Light ," religion).

One central concept is Maggot Brain ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot_Brain - Maggot Brain , 1971), which is an unenlightened small-mindedness, and which must be overcome for humanity to avoid its destruction and decay. It is explicitly ascribed to the titular junkie in "Super Stupid," who has "lost the fight" with fear. Other songs on the album advocate universal love, peace, and brotherhood, and war is explicitly compared to insanity in "Back In Our Minds." The album ends on an apocalyptic note with "Wars of Armageddon," in which the sound of a crying baby can be taken as a direct reference to the speech at the beginning of the title track: "Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up." With its noisy improvisation and activist chanting, the track appears to depict a final confrontation between good and evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_Under_a_Groove - One Nation Under a Groove (Funkadelic, 1978) introduces Funkadelica, a nation wherein the Funk rules and can’t be either stopped or labeled. The people of Funkadelica are called Funkateers (as are P Funk fans) and are led by Uncle Jam. Their mission is to rescue dance music from the doldrums (unFunkiness).

The album http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electric_Spanking_of_War_Babies - The Electric Spanking of War Babies (1981) refers to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War - Vietnam War , as characterized by George Clinton.

Logan wrote: Ivan, please don't take it personally.  I mentioned that my 3rd and 4th paragraphs were in relation to something that Easy Money said (from another thread in fact) and I was thinking more generally (hardly in all cases and hardly just with this proposal).  You're free to think that Funkadelic has no relation to Prog, just as others, such as myself are free to think otherwise.  It would be intolerant of me to say that you shouldn't express that.  I'm not invalidating your opinion ,my point was meant to be that more than one opinion can be valid.  And I said prog-related (not capitalised).  My point is that I think that something can have a relation to prog without it being acceptable for the Prog Related category.  I thought you agreed with that, as you've pointed out the definition before to say that "the inclusion of a band is exceptional"  and had thought you thought that not all bands that have some relation to progressive rock should be accepted.   Logan, your post was clearly refered toi mine, you and I know it, you even referred to one word I said and that is blame, but I don't take it personally, just that I'm tired being the only one who expresses a strong opinion and have to take the bad guy position, but when a poll is started, more than usually people vote massively against this barely (if at all) related with Prog bands, this silent majority is the one that pisses me. The first paragraph specifically referred to yours and I used that as  a springboard for pasting in a related post that I had written in another thread earlier in the day in response to Easy Money.  See this: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37670&PID=2962563#2962563 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37670&PID=2962563#2962563   And no, I talk about exceptional was referred to the fact that the addition of a band to Prog related must not be the main prioty of the site, but an exception. Yes? Sorry, I'm not following, how that is different from what I was saying? Some probably do think that Prog=good, non-Prog=bad (I don't recall anyone saying that, but some might think it), but many don't when showing some support for the more controversial additions (or at least saying that the idea is not as far-fetched as some make it out to be),    Now you're the one taking it personally, never said you mentioned that, I clearly stated that some peope who propose non Prog bands believe that Prog is Good and non Prog is bad. Just read some arguments for some bands  "It's a great band, deserves to be here" Why do you assume I'm taking it personally?  I don't recall claiming that you ever said I mentioned that.  You specifically said, [QUOTE]That's the problem, people pushing addition of non Prog bands think that Prog = Good and Non Prog = Band

The point is that claiming an artist is Progressive, is the first step for proposing an addition, and in this case, I do believe it's absurd to even suggest Willie Nelson has the slightest relation with Progressive Rock.

You wrote:

Ivan wrote: Then blame people who started it.....For God's sake, somebody is suggesting Willie Nelson is Prog in this thread!!!!!! That's the first step for addition (BTW: Also suggesting Prog Rap).

tokenrove wrote: Funkadelic had some pretty progressive tendencies. I feel there are some similarities to Magma there, from shared roots rather than interaction between the bands. Also, they definitely weren't 100% funk; songs like March to the Witch's Castle aren't very funky, but dark and heavy, if I recall correctly. (Don't have my Funkadelic albums here.) I'd be quite grateful to hear any recommendations for other bands based in funk with as much eclecticism as Funkadelic had. On a side note, someone was mentioning progressive country. Not to suggest the artist for this site, clearly, but "Phases & Stages" by Willie Nelson is a great concept album with recurring musical themes and so on, maybe the closest I've heard to progressive country. In terms of what gets added to the site, it seems to me like there are a lot of bands, like Funkadelic, or Metallica, or Willie Nelson, that could be recommended to prog listeners as something they might like, that have many elements of prog, without being "prog enough" for consensus. Why not allow the forum to continue to serve this purpose, and keep controversial bands out of the archives? I don't contribute enough to the community here for me to say anymore, but that's just my thoughts on it based on being a lurker for a long time. I'm eternally searching for progressive music based in any genre, not just rock. I'd love to hear, for example, progressive rap developed with the influence of operatic recitative, baroque counterpoint, and minimalist polyrhythms. If someone created it, would it belong in these archives?

Iván

As I told you Logan, I've seen this happen a lot of times, bands with no support and which most people don't believe should be here, being added after a short period of their intoduction as Progressive artists.


Let's look at his post again in full.

Again, I know what his post says but tell me something........Why mentioning some artist as Progressive if there isn't the secret desire for his addition?

"If someone created it, would it belong in these archives?""