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Yorkie X
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Topic: too heavily weighted ratings ? its outrageous Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:16 |
I have been keeping some opinions to myself for some time about how the rating system works but after reading some reviews of CD's and seeing their ratings I have come to the conclusion that Prog reviewers and Collaborators ratings are far too heavy weighted. Not only does it disregards and disrespects the opinion of the average prog fan who lets face it without their input this site would be "Nothing" it also greatly affects the top 100 and the true integrity of the site in other words the rating stars mean nothing and its almost a pointless task submiting a review for the average person unless you are "one of the boys" here on this site. I would hate to feel I am typing this to typical politician mentality people who will just read it then disgard it but something needs to be done about this ridiculous situation ASAP.
Edited by Yorkie X - September 11 2008 at 21:08
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NotAProghead
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:29 |
It has been discussed not so long ago.
The main argument was, not literally, but very close: search for democracy somewhere else.
I think collaborators, if they are not obsessed with megalomania, should feel themselves a little uncomfortable.
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:32 |
hmm.... I don't think they are weighted enough  Simple math... good reviews.... the ability to discuss an album rather than say you like it or it suck.... times that by whatever standards the site judges to be enough as far as quantity... then add in a dash of demonstrating a good working knowledge of prog... in all it's various forms and ...voila... you have yourself a collaborator. tell me why a collabs review should not be weighted more....
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LinusW
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:37 |
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:39 |
^^^ Sounds like a politicians response to me ...
Edited by Yorkie X - September 10 2008 at 21:42
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:41 |
NotAProghead wrote:
I think collaborators, if they are not obsessed with megalomania, should feel themselves a little uncomfortable. |
Oh please. Yeah, we're just huge megalomaniacs. I crave power over all non-collabs  The fact is, the site simply rewards those who have worked long and hard for it, and developed a generally trustworthy reviewing skill with a bit more emphasis on the final rating. Big deal. Work hard and become a collab. The fact is, many sites dont' allow the freedom that this one does for a stranger to come by, sign up, and have their first review read by hundreds of people the first day. The site's policy, which helps guard against quickie hit and run fanboy ratings, helps provide more useful information to the buying public. More so than something like Amazon, where every single rating is 5 stars and all weighted the same. Bravo Max, don't change the weightings. The fact is that anyone who wants to put in the effort can eventually become a Collab, so it is absolutely not an exclusionary policy. Earn it.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:43 |
micky wrote:
tell me why a collabs review should not be weighted more....
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Simply because each collab's review is not necassarily better than others.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:44 |
Fair enough .. expect lesser input then from those who are not "blessed" with "stars" some people know more than they are given credit for and others know less than they are given credit for ... don't deny it.
Edited by Yorkie X - September 10 2008 at 21:49
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:47 |
Yorkie X wrote:
Fair enough .. expect lesser input then from those who are not "blessed" with "stars" who may know much more about prog than many collabs and reviewers
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If that's the attitude one has, one may not excel far in any profession. You earn your way in anything, jobs, relationships, whatever...saying "expect lesser input" from me till I get what I want is incredibly childish. You don't get the benefit of anything until you work a little for it. We're not "blessed", we worked very hard for the site.
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:49 |
NotAProghead wrote:
micky wrote:
tell me why a collabs review should not be weighted more....
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Simply because each collab's review is not necassarily better than others. |
they aren't... that is why those collab's... like me  ... generally leave the reviewing to others.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:50 |
OK folks I`m not here to fight with you .. just wanted to make a point, I feel it has merit .. lets not have any conflict
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:52 |
I`m not reviewing an artist to find that my rating means nothing only an idiot would waist there time doing that
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NotAProghead
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:52 |
Finnforest wrote:
The fact is, the site simply rewards those who have worked long and hard for it, and developed a generally trustworthy reviewing skill with a bit more emphasis on the final rating. Big deal. Work hard and become a collab.
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The only thing I like in collab status is the possibility to edit my own reviews.
I don't need any other rewards. Especially heavier rating, I'm far from thinking that I'm smarter than other PA members. 
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:54 |
no conflict... it is the way it is.... this a volunteer site Yorkie.. (and as noted earlier.. not a democratic one). Those who invest the time to make this site what it is.. to give you and other members the content.. and the place to MAke your reviews deserve.. and get some benefit for their time and labour. That is having their opinions 'count' a bit more than those who don't.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:56 |
Finnforest wrote:
Yorkie X wrote:
Fair enough .. expect lesser input then from those who are not "blessed" with "stars" who may know much more about prog than many collabs and reviewers
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If that's the attitude one has, one may not excel far in any profession. You earn your way in anything, jobs, relationships, whatever...saying "expect lesser input" from me till I get what I want is incredibly childish.
You don't get the benefit of anything until you work a little for it. We're not "blessed", we worked very hard for the site.
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So tell me .. just what am I earning ? isnt it the artist in the review earning ? isnt this about the integrity of the site ? not about the many but about the one ? stop protecting yourself
Edited by Yorkie X - September 10 2008 at 21:59
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:58 |
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 22:00 |
Yorkie X wrote:
I`m not reviewing an artist to find that my rating means nothing only an idiot would waist there time doing that
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Wow, I guess I was a real idiot for a long time.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 22:00 |
lol this want a wise post was it ?
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micky
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 22:03 |
christ almighty...when you will all understand....
IT IS THE REVIEW THAT MATTERS hahha... if you are worried about a rating... you truly are wasting your time. People here... the ones you should be reviewing albums for.. .are reading the review... not seeing how many stars you gave it hahhah.
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 22:04 |
I don't want to fight you York. Just tried to explain the site's method and why I think it is fair. Have a good one.
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