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jimidom 
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 Posted: September 10 2008 at 11:04 |
 Certif1ed wrote:
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y'all better create a new Prog Funk category, at which point the 'where's Sly Stone' thread will quite rightly start immediately.
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A very good point - Sly did much the same, but a few years earlier.
Prog Funk - now there's an idea...  |
Yes indeed! Now guess who enters the discussion?
Edited by jimidom - September 10 2008 at 11:41
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 11:17 |
micky wrote:
hahhaha... yeah really...
Alan - no clue... but something to chew on.... did anyone in this thread think to welcome the guy, he was a new member... before tearing his suggestion apart  Nuts?.. perhaps... or maybe he thought we were all a lot of assholes for going apesh*t over a simple proposition
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Please Micky, look at how things happened:
- TaoJones suggested Funkadelic on AUGUST 26
- The first reply was from Logan who welcomed TaoJones and supported his idea
- Until September 5, all Funkadelic got was support
- IN TEN DAYS FUNKADELIC ONLY GOT SUPPORT.
- IN THOSE TEN DAYS TAOJONES DIDN'T GAVE SIGNS OF LIFE.
- In ten days TaoJones never gave an argument to support his proposal again
- TaoJones joined Prog Archives in March 27, 2008 AND ONLY WROTE ONE POST IN ALMOST 5 MONTHS (Precisely the one suggesting Funkadelic)
- He is familiar with the Forum, so the opposition to Funkadelic didn't caught him by surprise.
- Despite this fact never made a post in 4 months, he made once and vanished again
So Micky, this statement you wrote:
| did anyone in this thread think to welcome the guy, he was a new member... before tearing his suggestion apart |
IS FALSE
- The guy was welcomed by Lgan
- Nobody teared his suggestion appart, people supported him for a lot of time.
- FOR TEN DAYS HE ONLY RECEIVED SUPPORT
- He didn't posted despite this facts
- In five months he only posted ONE TIME,
So don't blame the opposition against Funkadelic, TaoJones only posted to suggest Funkadelic and never showed again as he did in 4 months DESPITE IN TEN DAYS HE DIDN'T READ A SINGLE POST POST AGAINST FUNKADELIC, BECAUSE THE FIRST POST AGAINST FUNKADELIC'S INCLUSION WAS TEN DAYS AFTER HE PROPOSED THE BAND.....So what's strange?
THE GUY DIDN'T POSTED IN ANY OTHER THREAD DESPITE THE INITIAL SUPPORT
Lets not use the fact that the guy really is not a frequent posted to blame anybody, he had ten days before anybody objected the addition of Funkadelic to post again when his suggestion had support, but he never did.
Or do we have to support an addition we believe is wrong not to hurt the feelings of a guy who in 5 months only posted one time?
Before making assumptions and accusations, better check the facts.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 10 2008 at 12:31
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Easy Money
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 11:47 |
jimidom wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
jammun wrote:
y'all better create a new Prog Funk category, at which point the 'where's Sly Stone' thread will quite rightly start immediately.
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A very good point - Sly did much the same, but a few years earlier.
Prog Funk - now there's an idea... |
Yes indeed! Now guess who enters the discussion?
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Hold on a second here, Jimi played blues, psychedelic rock, proto jazz-rock, a couple proggy tunes, folk and hard-rock pop, but very little funk.
Why do I always end up sounding like a Hendrix fan-boy on this site. Jeeze, too much mis-information on this guy. Overated and overexposed in the regular rock world, but misunderstood and underrated in the prog world, go figure.
P.S. that stautue looks awful, somebody should sue. It's probably not in California or it would be covered in graffitti ha ha ha.
Edited by Easy Money - September 10 2008 at 11:49
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 12:10 |
Easy Money wrote:
Hold on a second here, Jimi played blues, psychedelic rock, proto jazz-rock, a couple proggy tunes, folk and hard-rock pop, but very little funk.
Why do I always end up sounding like a Hendrix fan-boy on this site. Jeeze, too much mis-information on this guy. Overated and overexposed in the regular rock world, but misunderstood and underrated in the prog world, go figure.
P.S. that stautue looks awful, somebody should sue. It's probably not in California or it would be covered in graffitti ha ha ha. |
That statue is actually in downtown Seattle. As for Hendrix himself, he probably didn't play much funk per se, at least not until Band of Gypsys. However, there was a funky vibe in much of his music with the Experience, such as "Purple Haze", "Foxy Lady", "Little Miss Lover", "Crosstown Traffic", "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" to name a few. All of those tunes had a funky groove despite the fact they were not funk songs. I guess you could all it proto-funk. Still, he was a huge influence in the funk world, especially on Funkadelic. |
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 12:37 |
jimidom wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
Hold on a second here, Jimi played blues, psychedelic rock, proto jazz-rock, a couple proggy tunes, folk and hard-rock pop, but very little funk. Why do I always end up sounding like a Hendrix fan-boy on this site. Jeeze, too much mis-information on this guy. Overated and overexposed in the regular rock world, but misunderstood and underrated in the prog world, go figure. P.S. that stautue looks awful, somebody should sue. It's probably not in California or it would be covered in graffitti ha ha ha. |
That statue is actually in downtown Seattle. As for Hendrix himself, he probably didn't play much funk per se, at least not until Band of Gypsys. However, there was a funky vibe in much of his music with the Experience, such as "Purple Haze", "Foxy Lady", "Little Miss Lover", "Crosstown Traffic", "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" to name a few. All of those tunes had a funky groove despite the fact they were not funk songs. I guess you could all it proto-funk. Still, he was a huge influence in the funk world, especially on Funkadelic. |
Having played in funk bands since the late 70s I would agree that every funk gtrst in the world becomes 'Hendrix' when it's time to solo, ha ha ha. Your right, there is always that implied swing jazzy funk thing with The Experience. Mitchell and Jimi were made for each other, what they brought to rock is hard to duplicate or imitate.
Now if we could only get that dreadful Hendrix statue together with the memphis Elvis staue, now that would be a true eyesore ha ha.
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 13:21 |
^ Absolutely, Jimidom (and, incidentally, I am a big Jimi Hendrix fan -- Band of Gypsys is my particular fave).
Thanks for mentioning that, Ivan. I had wanted to myself.
Regarding TaoJones absence, silly, but I had been a little concerned
that I may have put him off with my first post with my welcome (the
exclamation mark, "Welcome TaoJones!" perhaps seeming overly
enthusiastic, and therefore potentially embarrassing -- in my board
experiences, I've come to the impression that excessive enthusiasm
commonly kills discussion). I did post within half an hour of his post
too, so might have thought there'd be acknowledgment (no biggie that
there wasn't). Perhaps that his discussion only got one response in
ten days was another factor for his not responding (people not showing
interest).
Let's go back to his initial post:
TaoJones wrote:
This may be a long shot but it seams to me that they
have at least some chance of qualifying. After listening to them for a
long time I have decided that many of the aspects of a progressive rock
band can be found in their albums. Fantastic musicianship, "epic"
tracks drenched in atmospheric soundscapes, conceptual albums/
reacuring musical concepts and great history behind the bands evolution.
It is true that they eventually became more of a dance group later on with Parliament but their origins are truly progressive.
If you are unfamiliar with the group check out the album "Maggot brain" to hear probably their most progressive work.
What do you say?
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He, himself, thought it might be a long shot, and I didn't offer
much support in my initial post -- other than mentioning psych
qualities. I don't actually support the band in the archives, but do
find the notion very worthy of discussion as a potential candidate for
related. Progressive does not equal Prog.
I wish to apologise for my undignified/ excessive behavior in this thread (this post included).
Now back to the funk.... Whether one thinks it sufficiently considerable for inclusion or not, this is one time I wish we had a poll. Question: How related to "Prog" (Prog as illustrated by the music covered in the various Prog categories) is Funkadalic? Choose the one that fits your thinking best.
a) Could fit an existing Prog category b) Would require a new Prog category (Progressive Funk-Rock/ Fusion) c) Could fit Prog-Related. d) Has a relation to Prog, but not enough to be right for Prog-Related e) Is distantly related to Prog f) Is a related to Prog Related band.
f) Has no relation to Prog. g) Has no relation to even related to Prog Related bands h) Has no relation to related to related bands. i) Is not related (even very distantly related) at all to anything we have in the archives.
h) Is not even related to music. i) Dumb poll. j) Where the hell is Earth WInd and Fire? k) Phil Collins!!! l) Magma iss de hundin! m) Go do us all a favour, Greg, and go drown yourself in a Lake (preferably Greg Lake). n) Other. o) Other-Related p) Related to Other-Related q) Not even related to other-Related. r) No relation to anything, including other-other things s) Okay, now I'm really confused. t) Wurdah, Logan.
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 13:31 |
Logan wrote:
Regarding TaoJones absence, silly, but I had been a little concerned that I may have put him off with my first post with my welcome (the exclamation mark, "Welcome TaoJones!" perhaps seeming overly enthusiastic, and therefore potentially embarrassing -- in my board experiences, I've come to the impression that excessive enthusiasm commonly kills discussion). I did post within half an hour of his post too, so might have thought there'd be acknowledgment (no biggie that there wasn't). Perhaps that his discussion only got one response in ten days was another factor for his not responding (people not showing interest).
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Logan, neither you or the people who doin't consider Funkadelic have any relation with TaoJones not posting.
A person who joined 5 months ago and only posted one time, doesn't need an excuse to avoid posting, obviously we are talking about somebody who doesn't like to post.
Nobody would be afraid of a warm welcome, and of course he can't be afraid of negative responses because this came only ten days after his post.
So blaming anybody is absurd, he doesn't post because he doesn't want to post.
Iván
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 13:32 |
BTW, I vote fot "G" 
Iván
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 14:13 |
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I'll go with d or f.
Don't worry about Tao, if he was a wuss he wouldn't be listening to Funkadelic, ha ha.
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 14:24 |
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 18:42 |
g) Has no relation to even related to Prog Related bands
This is my vote , I trully believe Funkadelic is a pure funk R&B Band 
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 19:01 |
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Nah, I'll stick to this one:
p) Related to Other-Related
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 19:54 |
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I'd probably vote G. There is some relation, but don't leave that door open or pretty soon James Brown, Sly Stone, and every George Clinton offshoot, not to mention Ohio Players and EWF, will be wanting in.
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:10 |
Zeuhl ? 
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:37 |
debrewguy wrote:
Zeuhl ?
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no way... RPI...  sure we can find a wop in the closet somewhere with one of the group members
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:45 |
Easy Money wrote:
Why do I always end up sounding like a Hendrix fan-boy on this site. Jeeze, too much mis-information on this guy. Overated and overexposed in the regular rock world, but misunderstood and underrated in the prog world, go figure.
P.S. that stautue looks awful, somebody should sue. It's probably not in California or it would be covered in graffitti ha ha ha. |
I love the way you think... ... for discussion's sake of course... There is a lot of misunderstanding in the prog community about any number of groups. For such 'intelligent' music fans... it never fails to amaze me how quickly people dismiss things. and yeah... that is a godawful statue
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Posted: September 11 2008 at 00:05 |
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Posted: September 11 2008 at 06:24 |
close enough... sure he's eaten at an Olive Garden one time... we were going to put Miles in RPI if J-R/F didn't make enough sense for people.
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Posted: September 11 2008 at 08:16 |
micky wrote:
close enough... sure he's eaten at an Olive Garden one time... we were going to put Miles in RPI if J-R/F didn't make enough sense for people.
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Well Miles loved Italian clothing (don't we all) and the sports cars.
I had some Italian American friends from the east coast that had moved to San Francisco who loved that Olive Garden slogan "When you come here your family" ... upon hearing that we would immediately start insulting each other in a familial way like bad stereotypes, ha ha.
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 18:07 |
Tony R wrote:
I've an idea to just add every band that ever released an album.
However the Allmusic Guide beat us to it.
Here's an idea, just add "progressive" to every musical genre and we can find an excuse to include everyone!
Progressive Soul. Progressive Rhythm and Blues. Progressive Punk. Progressive funk. Progressive Country, Progressive Disco.
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in that case, could we all agree NEVER to add AC/DC (however much I like 'em)? 
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