Funkadelic for space rock/ heavy prog?

I would rather we not put the blame on anyone for making suggestions (that way lies one-upmanship, self-righteousness, and bigotry.  I think we should strive to be more tolerant and open to other notions, while at the same time free to express our own ideas/ opinions).

I posted this earlier in another thread in relation to a  post by Easy Money:

The way I look at it is that something can be prog-related without it necessarily being right for the site (at least at this time).  I wouldn't push for Funkadelic, but find sometimes people are too closed minded too even consider the possibility/ merits of a band/ proposal, or to really explore the issue from various angles (often a gut/ emotional reaction) -- too often it becomes black and white (I'm not so much one to think it's either progressive rock or not or right or wrong (so much music covered here); there's a grey area, and that makes such "out-of-the-box discussions interesting, especially as such additions affect the direction of the site).  At least the notion of P-Funk and EW&F's inclusion is interesting, and not something to be dismissed out-of-hand.  People often are looking for the parameters of additions, and the boundaries are very fuzzy (to almost non-existent) since so many different syles of music are represented by bands at this site, and we have our own ideas of what is worthy, and which direction the site should take, and not take.

Fewer people should dismiss, and more people should explore notions and be open to other ideas/ perspectives (that another point of view can be valid).

Ivan, please don't take it personally.  I mentioned that my 3rd and 4th paragraphs were in relation to something that Easy Money said (from another thread in fact) and I was thinking more generally (hardly in all cases and hardly just with this proposal).  You're free to think that Funkadelic has no relation to Prog, just as others, such as myself are free to think otherwise.  It would be intolerant of me to say that you shouldn't express that.  I'm not invalidating your opinion ,my point was meant to be that more than one opinion can be valid.  And I said prog-related (not capitalised).  My point is that I think that something can have a relation to prog without it being acceptable for the Prog Related category.  I thought you agreed with that, as you've pointed out the definition before to say that "the inclusion of a band is exceptional"  and had thought you thought that not all bands that have some relation to progressive rock should be accepted.

Some probably do think that Prog=good, non-Prog=bad (I don't recall anyone saying that, but some might think it), but many don't when showing some support for the more controversial additions (or at least saying that the idea is not as far-fetched as some make it out to be),  I know that Prog can be very bad (at least according to my tastes, and I put other music ahead of it artistically and creatively even though I enjoy Prog).  I love Tallis, and am not ashamed to say it, but you don't see me claiming he is Prog (though progressive, but hardly Prog).  For a much more modern artist, I like Gary Numan, but have not suggested him.  I know that some dismiss out of hand sometimes without trying to understand, or explore other points of view (sometimes without even really knowing the music)  People can be like that.  Sometimes people even ridicule others who have differences of opinion/ offer a different perspective.

I'm not saying that we would should not reject a band for addition, team members, including myself, do it all the time.  What I mean is that we explore what other people are trying to say and feel.  It's part of trying to understand where other people are coming from.  I'm a great believer in exploring notions, even if we don't agree with them -- really pondering it.  Of course we can disagree. 

One of the problems, sometimes, I think is that too many people argue (take on an adversarial approach), and are not give-and-take, and not enough people really discuss in a friendly, exploratory manner (the exploration of ideas).  Too often it's wrong or right, whereas I'd rather there be more synthesis of ideas (not to mention respect for other opinions).

Incidentally, I could see a case for Willie Nelson as a progressive artist, but not Prog, but I must have missed the post where someone claimed he was Prog (not that it matters).


Edited by Logan - September 08 2008 at 20:25

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: For God's sake, somebody is suggesting Willie Nelson is Prog in this thread!!!!!!

[QUOTE=Logan] Ivan, please don't take it personally.  I mentioned that my 3rd and 4th paragraphs were in relation to something that Easy Money said (from another thread in fact) and I was thinking more generally (hardly in all cases and hardly just with this proposal).  You're free to think that Funkadelic has no relation to Prog, just as others, such as myself are free to think otherwise.  It would be intolerant of me to say that you shouldn't express that.  I'm not invalidating your opinion ,my point was meant to be that more than one opinion can be valid.  And I said prog-related (not capitalised).  My point is that I think that something can have a relation to prog without it being acceptable for the Prog Related category.  I thought you agreed with that, as you've pointed out the definition before to say that "the inclusion of a band is exceptional"  and had thought you thought that not all bands that have some relation to progressive rock should be accepted.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 08 2008 at 21:05

micky wrote: jammun wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: For God's sake, somebody is suggesting Willie Nelson is Prog in this thread!!!!!!      Whew, had to go back and make sure that wasn't one of my comments since it sounds like something I'd say after a few too many long-neck Lone Stars. oh god... Lone Stars!!!!!!.... haven't had one of those in YEARS hahhah.  A couple of those to these parched lips .and Willie would be up before the Prog Folk team for evaluation being a light-weight these days has it's advantages One of my treasured mementos of college was a Lone Star bottle David Allen Coe signed for me ...  and was one of the first things my wife tossed in the trash after I got married

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: One question...What the hell is a lone star?   Iván

nectar of the gods Ivan...

Ahh, we had one like that in Perú, it had 13.5% of alcohol

Easy Money wrote: micky wrote: jammun wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: For God's sake, somebody is suggesting Willie Nelson is Prog in this thread!!!!!!  <font size="3" color="#0000ff">    Whew, had to go back and make sure that wasn't one of my comments since it sounds like something I'd say after a few too many long-neck Lone Stars. oh god... Lone Stars!!!!!!.... haven't had one of those in YEARS hahhah.  A couple of those to these parched lips .and Willie would be up before the Prog Folk team for evaluation being a light-weight these days has it's advantages One of my treasured mementos of college was a Lone Star bottle David Allen Coe signed for me ...  and was one of the first things my wife tossed in the trash after I got married That is one of the funniest (Homer Simpson voice "It's funny cos it's true") things I have ever read on here. Obviously I know the type well. I won't even bother to type any ha ha ... s

yeah.. she was a real pistol

oh good times indeed... I remember dying with laughter when you told us of that...

and on that note.... my two cents as usual..

remember brothers.... the site is supposed to be fun.... people make suggestions....  we all know those that have no chance in hell.. and those have a legitimate basis for being here without sh*tting on the people who we actually in effect are working for.   To the non-collabs...  dropping a reign of sh*t upon people's ideas or suggestons  is never a good idea... for it only fosters the the type of enviroment that might  bring down a river of sh*t maybe on YOUR suggestion. Trust me.. people here have LONG memories.


and for the collabs... how many times do you have to see collabs going at each others throats to see that a live and let live mind set is the best course here ...the absense of which.. has turned FAR more people off this site than any addition ever has.. or ever will. Not to mention.... we are here to work for the site.. and the people here... not to mock... for when you cut to the bone...  that is exactly what happens when it goes beyond merely expressing an opinion... and having what we had here.. and have had time and time again.  The experts here will deal with the suggestions.. the bogus ones get rejected...  the ones that aren't..  are at the discretion of those who work and love this site just as much as one here.

my two cents on Funkadelic... and everything else dicussed here.  Remember...  we all love the music .. there is no right ... and no wrong way to look at it.  Thankfully we have a site that is not black and white.. but grey... just like the music we are here for... if you want black and white..  there is pop music.. metal... this music has far too many colours.. and nuances for anyone to ever definitatively say what is prog or not... this site is about the music.  As such.. it get judged strictly upon it.. Otherwise.. the site would have locked the doors to any groups post 70's and non-Eurpopean .. who are not generally known as PROG.

my speech for the day.. Greg  was dead on... and his earlier post should be required reading hahha.


Edited by micky - September 08 2008 at 21:40