Funkadelic for space rock/ heavy prog?

There's nothing wrong with discussing these things but I'd like to propose a new category:

Progressive Leemoresilly...


Sums things up perfectly.

I've an idea to just add every band that ever released an album.

However the Allmusic Guide beat us to it.

Here's an idea, just add "progressive" to every musical genre and we can find an excuse to include everyone!

Progressive Soul. Progressive Rhythm and Blues. Progressive Punk. Progressive funk. Progressive Country, Progressive Disco.

Tony R wrote: I've an idea to just add every band that ever released an album. However the Allmusic Guide beat us to it. Here's an idea, just add "progressive" to every musical genre and we can find an excuse to include everyone! Progressive Soul. Progressive Rhythm and Blues. Progressive Punk. Progressive funk. Progressive Country, Progressive Disco.

That's very progressive of you! I draw the line at progressive "boy bands".  Now let's get the Spice Girls added.

memowakeman wrote:   There is even something called "progressive salsa"

Easy Money wrote: Just for the record, I never proposed adding any bands or artists to PA, as was stated in my initial post.. My aim, as always, was to 'stimulate' the conversation. "Stimulate, don't simulate."

Hahahaha - very successful indeed 

Atavachron wrote:  ^ there's no doubt James Brown's band was extraordinary and could probably play almost anyone under the table, but until this becomes a progressive music site, he would be truly bizarre addition (and even then)

True, but it is nice to have threads where we can debate and discuss musical efforts that can be shown to turn up in later "accepted" prog releases (see Easy Money's linking Brown and Gentle Giant) .
I do accept though, that too often suggestions are posited as being cut & dried and obvious to everybody that the group in question be included in PA's list. And the naysayers often object as if it was an infinite stretch to barely even begin to think about possibly discussing the limited prog qualifications a group may have.
We've seen Bowie, Steely Dan, Miles Davis,  Black Sabbath added these past few months. In Davis' & Sabbath's case, there was a very lengthy debate as to their worthiness. But looking back, (despite my initial questioning Davis' inclusion) I think the site has really just been made more interesting.
The reason - maybe PA is becoming the destination of choice for those who believe there is still much out there that could be of interest to a prog music fan, depending on your preferred genres of course.
Progressive Pop, eventually. Why not ... no rush, as there are still other issues that our community is working through.

Logan wrote: Tony R wrote: I've an idea to just add every band that ever released an album. However the Allmusic Guide beat us to it. Here's an idea, just add "progressive" to every musical genre and we can find an excuse to include everyone! Progressive Soul. Progressive Rhythm and Blues. Progressive Punk. Progressive funk. Progressive Country, Progressive Disco. That's very progressive of you! I draw the line at progressive "boy bands".  Now let's get the Spice Girls added.

Logan If you did so I could add 2Be3 from my own country alongside with Alliage and Worlds Apart.Actually 2Be3 would suffice since they're the King Crimson of Progressive boy bands

I am not familiar with Funkadelic albums, just sparse songs, so I can't give an opinion concerning the band.

But, on the other hand, I think it is interesting to see how the subject of what is prog is taking dangerous routes inside this site. The first mistake was to change Progressive Rock to a coined term Progressive Music, which is not widely accepted and was rarely used outside PA scope.

This was created specially to justify Prog Metal to those who do not think that Prog Metal is prog. But then, it created an excuse for adding heavy metal (the term metal alone does not apply to musical genres) that is not related with the "common prog", by saying that to be prog in Prog Metal is different than to be prog in "common prog". If this is true, we have to start dealing with Prog Country, Prog Bluegrass, Prog Trance, Prog Hip-Hop, etc, afterall, to be prog in Prog Country is different to be prog in "common prog".

All this to say that if Funkadelic is "common prog", it should be judged by its own merits and be added. But if we start talking about Prog Funk, it is dangerous to the site. The same can be applied to other bands, for example, Stranglers and Prog Punk, just to name a recurring band in discussions that can fit in the same case.

I know that the Prog Metal lobby is very strong in this site because Prog Metal is more fashionable than Prog Rock nowadays and many site users are only Prog Metal fans or discovered Prog Rock because of Prog Metal. But their decision of separating Prog Metal concept from "common prog" was harmful to the site, because theoretically every other Prog "genre" I mentioned should have the same power here. Imagine IF this happens, how many bands would we have?

Easy Money wrote: The prog-rock part of Funkadelic and Parliament is multi-kybdst Bernie Worrell who remains active in prog related activities to this day. He's a fan of Keith Emerson and can match Emerson and any other prog kybdst for classical, jazz and rock technique. Funny how EW&F is being held up as the bad end of this addition tendency, early EW&F is probably more progressive than P-funk, as well as lot's of bands already on this site. My three favorite all-time prog rock concerts are Crimson, Genesis and EW&F. I consider RnB to be part of rock, just my personal tastes. You'll add or don't add whoever you like, I don't care, it's a fun site. P.S. James Brown's introduction of music composed of interlocking melodic parts (a concept he 'borrowed' from Cuban jazz) as opposed to chords and melodies was very progressive and after passing through some other artists eventually became a big influence (possibly unconsciously) on King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes (especially Squire) and others. P.S. P.S. In retrospect, I think the three previously mentioned classic prog bands borrowed directly from James, just listen to Fripp and Howe's comping technique.

The James Brown's influence in Prog bands, like Crimson, GG and Yes may be a valid point. They have the same value of Bach and Beethoven's influence, Stockhausen and Cage's influence, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry influences, Brubeck and Coltrane influences. They are all influences, and other bands that share some of these influences are not necessarily prog.

akin wrote: Easy Money wrote: The prog-rock part of Funkadelic and Parliament is multi-kybdst Bernie Worrell who remains active in prog related activities to this day. He's a fan of Keith Emerson and can match Emerson and any other prog kybdst for classical, jazz and rock technique. Funny how EW&F is being held up as the bad end of this addition tendency, early EW&F is probably more progressive than P-funk, as well as lot's of bands already on this site. My three favorite all-time prog rock concerts are Crimson, Genesis and EW&F. I consider RnB to be part of rock, just my personal tastes. You'll add or don't add whoever you like, I don't care, it's a fun site. P.S. James Brown's introduction of music composed of interlocking melodic parts (a concept he 'borrowed' from Cuban jazz) as opposed to chords and melodies was very progressive and after passing through some other artists eventually became a big influence (possibly unconsciously) on King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes (especially Squire) and others. P.S. P.S. In retrospect, I think the three previously mentioned classic prog bands borrowed directly from James, just listen to Fripp and Howe's comping technique. The James Brown's influence in Prog bands, like Crimson, GG and Yes may be a valid point. They have the same value of Bach and Beethoven's influence, Stockhausen and Cage's influence, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry influences, Brubeck and Coltrane influences. They are all influences, and other bands that share some of these influences are not necessarily prog.

Hi Akin, let me make this very clear once more: I WAS TALKING ABOUT MUSIC, NOT SUGGESTING BANDS FOR PA INCLUSION. I would imagine the title of the thread makes it seem like every post is about PA inclusion, but mine was not.

Just because I might say some band has progressive tendecies, or they were an influence on prog-rock doesn't mean I think they belong in PA. I enjoy talking about music, but I find conversations about who belongs on PA to be utterly boring, and besides, those conversations tend to bring out the worst in people.

Edited by Easy Money - September 08 2008 at 18:39