What is the most psychedelic prog?

Petra wrote: Quote from Cert.. If you haven't spotted how psychedelic Hawkwind, Gong and Floyd are, then you just haven't got into the psychedelic thing quite heavily enough, I would humbly suggest You are probably right there, but i have listened to a fair amount of Floyd, Gong and the Hurdy Gurdy man himself, i just want something different Blacksword ..I'm not one of these 'yoofs' you talk of  but look at  http://stonerrock.com/home.asp . You will  probably hate it but what the hec!

Scary stuff! Looks pretty Satanic to me

No, I know you're no 'yoof' You're far to elequent, and you contribute on a prog forum  

Yeah- Ozric Testicals-- oh 'scuse me ...Tentacles...    Hawkwind, Floyd,early Porcupine Tree

and old Jefferson Airplane

Deuter - D; Aum

DOM - Edge of Time

Drum Circus - Magic Theatre

Dzyan - Time Machine; Electric Silence

Egg - The Polite Force

Eloy - Inside

Far East Family Band - Parallel World

Faust - Faust; The Faust Tapes

Fifty Foot Hose - Cauldron

Flower Travellin' Band - Satori

Peter Frohmader - Kanaan Live 1975

Funkadelic - Free Your Mind; Maggot Brain

Gila - Free Electric Sound

Sergius Golowin - Lord Krishna Von Goloka

Gong - camembert Electrique; Angels' Egg; You

Grateful Dead - Anthem of the Sun

Group 1850 - Polyandri

Guru Guru - UFO; Hinten; Kanguru

Hampton Grease Band - Music to Eat

Herbie Hancock - Sextant

Hawkwind - Hawkwind; In Search of Space [etc. you surely know what you like]

Dashiell Hedayat - Obsolete

Steve Hillage - Fish Rising

IAO Core - Armadillium Vulgare

Id - Where Are We Going

Igra Staklenih Perli - Igra Staklenih Perli

L'Infonie - Volume 333

Jefferson Airplane - After Bathing at Baxter's

Joyride - Friendsound

Kingdom Come - Galactic Zoo Dossier; Kingdom Come; Journey

Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk

Krokodil - An Invisible World Revealed

Lard Free - Gilbert Artman's Lard Free; I'm Around About Midnight; III

Franco Leprino - Integrati... Disintegrati [no rock at all here, just a fascinating electroacoustic headtrip]

Magical Power Mako - Jump

Albert Marcoeur - Albert Marcoeur; Album a Colorier

Mushroom - Hydrogen Jukebox

Mythos - Mythos; Dreamlab

Neptune Towers - Caravans to Empire Algol

Nyl - Nyl

Pataphonie - Le Matin Blanc

People - Ceremony: Buddha Meet Rock

Pi Corp - Lost in the Cosmic Void

oh yeah, almost forgot Heldon - just about anything from the 70's!

love lost of earlier Pink Floyd, but no point trying to tell you about what you certainly know... [ not that I'm assuming the rest of this stuff is unknown to all of you]

Planet Gong - Live Floating Anarchy '77

PLJ Band - Armageddon

Pole - Besombes-Rizet

Pulsar - Pollen

Pyramid - Pyramid

Quiet Sun - Mainstream

A.R. & Machines - Due Grune Reise; Echo; III; IV; Autovision; Ehrolung

Catherine Ribeiro + Alpes - Ame Debout; Paix; Le Rat Debile et l'Homme des Champs

Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air

Terje Rypdal - Odyssey

Sensations Fix - Fragments of Light; Portable Madness

Silberbart - 4 Times Sound Razing

Soft - Shamanic Waveform

Spacecraft - Paradoxe

Steamhammer - Speech

Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation; Alpha Centauri; Atem

Steve Tibbetts - Steve Tibbetts

Touch - Touch [aka 20/20 Sound]

Verto - Krig/Volubilis

Visitors - Visitors

Igor Wakhevitch - all

Wapassou - Messe en Re Mineur

White Noise - An Electric Storm

Xhol Caravan - Electrip

Ya Ho Wha 13 - Penetration

Yatha Sidhra - A Meditation Mass

Zanzibar Cob - Muirbiliuqesid

Zed - Visions of Dune

well, a  lot of that might not exactly blow your stack for you but there's a lot of good stuff there for trippiness factor... as you can tell I've spent a lot fo time in the past tripping and listening to things

I would have thought that's a way of defining psychedelic music that doesn't really fit in a broad-minded discussion. I mean, that's the narrowest most limiting way of thinking of psychedelic music. Jefferson Airplane, Vanilla Fudge etc. - yes, these are 'psychedelic bands' firstly in the sense that they originated in the time when 'psychedelic music' was first being played all over the place. Compared to many of the 70's band I listed above, however, most so-called psychedelic bands pale in regards to how psychedelic they are. What I'm trying to say is that psychedelia didn't end in the 60's, it carried on through the 70's and beyond, partly buried amongst what folks here would think of as progressive rock. It's not a style that must be associated with 60's styles - if that's what you mean it'll be clearer to others if you talk of psych or sike rather than psychedelic music as such. As someone who lives it as he talks it and has experimented a great deal with psychedelics, I'd like to strongly assert that to limit 'real' psychedelic music to just the stuff from the 60's is both inaccurate and silly. I've met folks who think there's some firm barrier to be defeneded, between 'real' 60's psychedelic music and the so-called 'fake gimmicks' of bands who experimented with electronics and studio effects. I just laugh at how uptight such people must be to have to make such barriers, because they exist only in people's heads. What matters is the result, the effect the music has on the listener. Psychedelic means, roughly, mind manifesting, or something that makes the innermost workings of the mind apparent to ourselves. In the sense of 'real psychedelic music' as I see it and experience it, most 60's psych is mere kiddy stuff playing around the edges, whereas much of the stuff that has been swallowed by the genres of prog or so-called 'krautrock' represents the more seriously psychedelic stuff that dives right in there. There are exceptions of course but I'm just basically trying to debunk the notion that psychedelic prog isn't 'real' psychedelic music and that 60's rock is.

I used to spend a fair bit of time on discussion forums for psychedelic plants, and people there would occasionally argue about the use of the word psychedelic. Some people felt that it associated their interests with boring vegan hippies and day-glo VW's, or more specifically, that it was a word that belonged only to the 60's and therefore to be remembered in association with the most embarassing elements from that time; others were more aware of the actual roots of the word, which had nothing to do with the cliche of 60's psychedelic culture and music (and everything to do with the exploration of the mind and soul), and as such were happy to continue using it, as after all, it is a very nice word to say and to look at on a page, and most of all, it is the most broadly appropriate term for what it describes. Words that have been suggested to replace it have drawn more arguments than 'psychedelic' [which to be technically correct should actually be spelled 'psychodelic'].

Getting away from the point somewhat, but you now know what gets my goat!

You know, it just have to sound like 10CC's I'm not in love, the weird bit!

Ah... Tiny Tim? You'll have to explain how he links in!

Steamhammer's Speech is quite different to the earlier stuff. Really, it's perhaps not trippy enough to have listed here but I love it so much my typing fingers couldn't hold back. In some ways it steps on from the long live track on Mountains, but in more of a space rock direction. [That is, space rock of their own design, they don't sound like any other 'space rock' bands I can think of except perhaps slight hints of elements of Hawkwind and Clear Blue Sky] Basically, they're stripped back to a g/b/d trio, and there's some subtle studio effects and interesting mixing to give it more psychedelic depth. There's 3 tracks. The first is a lengthy space trek of sorts with repetitive grooves but always building to new changes; it's pretty raw in the guitar department, with some of the roaring lines mixed a bit too loud in comparison to everything else, but that's only a slight complaint. Following this is a storming, complex, spacey prog metal number that just stomps everything in its path; then the album closes with another good track that is more or less an excuse for a fairly complex drum solo.

I've always been a bit miffed that even the liner notes to the Repertoire CD reissue seem to make out that this was their worst album, whereas from what I've heard [Mountains and a little bit of the Mk II-era stuff] it's easily their best. Anyway, I think the liner notes are the same for all of the Repertoire reissues of Steamhammer albums. Some time after this two of the members formed Armageddon with an ex-Captain Beyond member; they were also a pretty cool band, blending the hard rocking rhythmic strong-points of both prime Steamhammer and prime early Captain Beyond.