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Direct Link To This Post Topic: PA's Insane Top Non-Prog Albums List (DUE Sept 15)
    Posted: July 31 2008 at 21:32
Same idea as the top song list.  Lists of anywhere from 25-100 albums will be accepted.  Any genre goes, but nothing listed on PA (except in proto/related).

PM me your lists when you finish.

Please use text format (not RYM), and list albums starting with #1 and then going down (do not do reverse order).

Commence.  Lists are due September 15, 2008.

NOTE: For the purposes of this list, John Zorn does not count as prog (as in, he can be included on the lists).  While he is listed under RIO/Avant prog, even the PA bio admits he is not really a prog artist.  Neither does Miles Davis, who will shortly be added to the site, since he was not on the site before this contest started.  And, once again, Proto/Related is not prog.

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: Classical works count as well, even if they came before the time of recording music.  Just list them as Composer - Name of Work (e.g. Igor Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring).  Even if there are recorded versions since then, please format it as I said.



So what can I include?
-anything not on progarchives
-anything in the Proto/related categories on PA
-John Zorn and Miles Davis


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 21:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 21:45
DAMN YOU FOLLY THIS IS MY TURF.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46093

08's list was already done and 09 was going to start up around December.

Edited by moreitsythanyou - July 31 2008 at 21:47
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 21:50
And you didn't even vote in the song list yet. Only 10 more days!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 21:53
My list will have a fairer scoring system.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 21:55
Elaborate.

If you can not tell, I am seriously displeased.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 21:57
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Elaborate.

If you can not tell, I am seriously displeased.


Well, according to your list, an album that is ranked #1 is 250 times better than an album ranked #250.  I would add a bonus simply for making the list, meaning that being #1 would only be ten times better than being #250 (or, in the case of my list, five times better than being #100).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:01
I can't say that I follow you. The bonus seems linear and would not make any real difference.
But still, I had a system going with this. I really can't believe you'd just butt in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:10
I admit I didn't notice your thread.

The bonus would make a difference.

Say I put Can's Ege Bamyasi at #1, and nobody else puts it anywhere.  It gets 100 points on your system.

Suppose 99 people put Tago Mago at #100, and nobody else puts it anywhere.  It gets 99 points from you.

So EB>TM even though 99 people prefer TM.

But in my system, if EB is at #1, then if 6 people put TM at #100, it ends up above EB.

See the difference now?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:10
If it really bothers you, though, I can just have this thread deleted.

It would be interesting to see the comparison between the two scoring methods, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:12
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

I admit I didn't notice your thread.

The bonus would make a difference.

Say I put Can's Ege Bamyasi at #1, and nobody else puts it anywhere.  It gets 100 points on your system.

Suppose 99 people put Tago Mago at #100, and nobody else puts it anywhere.  It gets 99 points from you.

So EB>TM even though 99 people prefer TM.

But in my system, if EB is at #1, then if 6 people put TM at #100, it ends up above EB.

See the difference now?


While itsy's weighting may be too low, I would argue that yours is too high.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:14
I admit, I like your system, or one with a slightly less generous curve. I'd love to implement it.
I know it was an honest mistake, but I'd appreciate waiting until December. Then, explain to me your system and I think it will benefit the list.
I was thinking of a way to do that, I just didn't know how. I figured I could come up with some sort of curve formula but didn't have the motivation.

Edited by moreitsythanyou - July 31 2008 at 22:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:15
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

I admit I didn't notice your thread.

The bonus would make a difference.

Say I put Can's Ege Bamyasi at #1, and nobody else puts it anywhere.  It gets 100 points on your system.

Suppose 99 people put Tago Mago at #100, and nobody else puts it anywhere.  It gets 99 points from you.

So EB>TM even though 99 people prefer TM.

But in my system, if EB is at #1, then if 6 people put TM at #100, it ends up above EB.

See the difference now?


While itsy's weighting may be too low, I would argue that yours is too high.


That was an arbitrary example.  I could easily make it any number.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:18
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

I admit I didn't notice your thread.

The bonus would make a difference.

Say I put Can's Ege Bamyasi at #1, and nobody else puts it anywhere.  It gets 100 points on your system.

Suppose 99 people put Tago Mago at #100, and nobody else puts it anywhere.  It gets 99 points from you.

So EB>TM even though 99 people prefer TM.

But in my system, if EB is at #1, then if 6 people put TM at #100, it ends up above EB.

See the difference now?


While itsy's weighting may be too low, I would argue that yours is too high.


That was an arbitrary example.  I could easily make it any number.


Indeed, the devil is in the details.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:20
I chose such a high weighting to show how much of a difference it could make.  Somewhere between 10-15 would probably be a better choice.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:20
Although I was rather angry before, I admit this topic turned out to be a bit of a blessing in disguise because now I have the idea of scaling scores based on different multipliers based on the number of votes received. Probably in increments of between .05 and .15 per vote. I'll be implementing this switch as soon as the song list if it works well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:23
Is your album list finished?  If it is, I'd say go ahead with this one with the new scoring.  If it isn't, this thread can be closed and you can implement the scoring on the album list, too.

Also, I'm a bit baffled why you were so upset over a simple misunderstanding.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:24
Maybe he's pregnant.  I know my wife gets pretty cranky when she's pregnant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:25
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Is your album list finished?  If it is, I'd say go ahead with this one with the new scoring.  If it isn't, this thread can be closed and you can implement the scoring on the album list, too.Also, I'm a bit baffled why you were so upset over a simple misunderstanding.

The album list finished months ago, but I'll be switching up the scoring for the song list which is currently under way.
Well my first post was a bit more a joking tone (something I knew you wouldn't take too seriously ) but I worked really hard on that list and I really enjoyed doing it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2008 at 22:26
Oh and the album/song lists are meant to be annual and there will definitely be scoring changes for the 09 list.
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