So punk killed the prog did it ?

Two points:

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: I honestly believe Punk is dead and buried,. ony survives in small circles of young kids who play Punk because it's easy, but when they learn, they change to other genres.   Prog is alive and growing, Punk is vanishing completely.   Iván

when I see people talk about Punk around here I can only assume they got their insight from some VH1 special, makes me want to stab my eyes out with a pencil, strangely enough I can find literally hundreds of bands on the ProgArchives that come from a Punk/Hardcore lineage (and have gone on to either broaden the scope of Punk, or have  moved  on to play other musics while still retaining the ethics/politics/aesthetic/DIY-tactics they learned from Punk)

can't people just accept the fact that there has been so much cross pollination of genres over the past 30 years it becomes quite silly to talk music in such B/W terms anymore?

A B Negative wrote: In the same way that people who are not Prog afficionados believe Prog doesn't exist any more. The difference is that in some form I also follow the information about both genres, there are more than 100 Festivals exclusively for Prog, Punk is playing mostly in similar Festivals as Lollapallooza, in which the share the stage with Alternative, Indie, Country, Singer Song Weitting, Punk (A dilluted form of Punk), etc, etc,. etc.plus McDonalds, Burgers King, etc. Ptog is getting more and more commercial (in the good sense that some bands are having success), while any derivative form of Punk is getting more and more underground.   As you've obviously heard every Punk band, I bow to your superior knowledge of Punk lyrics. Of course not, but there are general terms, Punk was maninly anatchist, and for what I heard (And is in a decent amount) and read about (Which is more), all of it is ranting. As you've already said Punk didn't make it to Peru in the first place so it must seem dead... If I ever learn to play more complicated music than Punk, I'll make that change!   Never said it didn't reached Perú absolutely, I said it wasn't massive, but there were some bands like Sociedad de Mierda (Sh!t Society), Anarquía (Anarquism) and the most iconic band Leusemia (Badly written because it's Leucemia) who sold 10,000 copies (Gold record in Perú, because they gave the album with a newspaper as bonus) is called A la Mierda con lo Demás (To the sh*t with the rest).   The own director of one of this bands told me most guys of the Punk scenario, left Punk when they learned to play, now you can visit his site LEUSEMIA (The authors of A la Mierda lo Demás and the only relatively successful Punk band here, the ones who hated everybody) and today it says "Official Progressive Website  http://www.leusemia.com/home.html they claim Sex Pistols Roxy Music, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and Pink Floyd as influences   Prog is alive and growing. So is Punk. Tell me how many commercial Punk bands in the line of the founders of the genre (lets say The Pistols) are appearing now, I'm sure they are very few, because Punk dilluted itself in the late 70's. If you knew the amount of albums this site receives every month, you'd be surprised, and all from bands that are commercially able to at least survive.   Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 20 2008 at 08:04

very true David. Have some clappies.. 

It's funny how we love to talk about how "punk killed prog"... it may have or have not killed its mainstream appeal.... but killed it? What are we then? Necrophiliacs????

To some extent prog did survive the impact of punk and its own commercialization (remember Genesis or Owner of A Lonely Heart or Asia) and in 80s almost every great band of the 70s had its well-appreciated come back (Yes, ABWH, Pink Floyd, Genesis) and neoprog was really strong these days (at least Marillion with Fish)... but then it vanished - came the grunge, the hip hop and suddenly all the music from the 70s became 'oldies' - maybe these are the times when the myth of pure punk killing the corrupted prog came into existence?

mithrandir wrote: seems like a variation on this same topic pops up about once every 2 weeks here, what's the obsession folks?

True that  ...  Next time I will do a Dream Theater or Rush poll I promise 

Absolutely it tried and damned nearly succeeded. Punk evolved as an answer to what Yes/Genesis/ELP had become, the idea being that you didn't need talent to play it and it didn't have 20 minute keyboard/guitar solos.

When I finished my degree at Cambridge in 1974, there were prog venues everywhere. I went over to do my D. Phil in Canada and when I came back in late 1977, there were almost none. Places I had seen bands like Druid, Caravan, Camel and the like were full of safety pin adorned, spiky haired kids just out of nappies with serious attitude and an uncontrollable desire to spit on you, listening to people with no ability thrashing their instruments and screaming whilst bouncing up and down like piledrivers. It was s**t, I can tell you.

A few bands came through and a few bands formed a second wave of prog in the early 80s so prog survived, but it was a damned close run thing.

^ exactly.. what 'killed' prog more than punk was Fripp being Fripp... Yes being Yes.. and Genesis.. hahha.. becoming Genesis.  


the 1st wave wasn't going to live forever... and prog as we all know..  never really died... 

crimhead wrote: darkshade wrote: idk, i keep hearing more how disco killed prog more than anything. punk was just big in NY, London, and maybe some other big city But where is disco now.

what does that have to do with the price of potatoes?