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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2004 at 15:24

Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

In fact, forgot to mention, I currently have a personally burned 2CD best of set in my car CD changer at the moment - any band that can make me stretch a best of to 160mins can't be that bad!

 

Those are great thoughts. Here in the states in 1974-5 there was never a question about this band at all. They were the real deal whether it was progressive, rock, blues or ballads these guys could do it all. Maybe that it what it is about them that is great.  BTW Monolith Kerry had not yet converted so if it is preachy I don't know where that came from.  He converted in between that album and his solo album Seeds of Change(Which has two great songs with Ronnie James Dio doing vocals)  about a year or so after Monolith.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2004 at 16:11

 

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Well I love ELP but I have never heard a lyric coming out of a Kansas song that said " a Little Madder Someone get me a ladder" Is that polished? Backwoods? I just don't get that from them. I am from So Cal and the thing is I know when someone is trying to BS me in a song. I think Kerry and Steve for that matter are very sincere in what they are saying pre and post Christ. I think that is one reason I love this group they do make you believe what they are saying.

Yup standard hick fair. No disrespect to you but these guys are little better than you give them credit for. Maybe they are from Kansas but they are not stupid and Greg Lake is not smart because he comes from Angleland. :-)

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    Okay let me try to explain this again. 1st...my knowledge of Kansas is their 1st album and their hits. 2nd...I plan on buying more of their albums so that should indicate to you that I do give them credit. 3rd..The lyrics you showed me are okay but I have written better.4th....taking 1 line without any of the surrounding lines to ELP(a pop song of theirs no less) isn't fair to them. Check out the incredible play on words with Karn Evil#9 and see how your song matches up. It doesn't!! Simple as that. 5th....compare any of their lyrics to the greats...Hammill, Fish or Gabriel....not even in the same stratisphere...I can safely say that without hearing any more of their albums. 6th..my biggest angst against them is that Death to Mother Nature suite....I find the lyrics REALLY cheesy. It took me a while to relisten to them again because of that song and the 1st 3 which I mentioned in this thread earlier..and for your information...i am glad I did!!!I have always preferred lyrics dealing with inner turmoil over social issues. That is just my taste.7th...I like dark/depressing lyrics and I just don't find Kansas very dark and depressing. Once again....just my tastes. I realize Gabriel wasn't depressing but I love his eccentricity

There is just something small missing from Kansas's lyrics and because of their social songs and their upbringing it rings Hick Progressive to my ears....albeit good Hick Progressive

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 16 2004 at 19:43
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   . That is just my taste.7th...I like dark/depressing lyrics and I just don't find Kansas very dark and depressing. Once again....just my tastes. I realize Gabriel wasn't depressing but I love his eccentricity

There is just something small missing from Kansas's lyrics and because of their social songs and their upbringing it rings Hick Progressive to my ears....albeit good Hick Progressive

 

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I understand what you are saying.  There was a time I felt I neede the darkness of things also.  Pete wrote some very dark stuff on Tresspass IMO.  It is funny You say they are too lighthearted I had one friend told me Kansas was too depressing for their tatste.  Whatever. :-) I am glad you enjoy them and didn't let that stop you from enjoying what you can.  They have been part of my life for thirty years and are as important to me as all of the groups you mentioned. One nice thing is they still tour almost every year too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2004 at 20:56
I just bought Leftoverture and listened to the 1st songs.....not very proggy....Carry On was the most progressive so far....I am starting to worry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 18 2004 at 20:56
correction....1st 3 songs
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2004 at 11:20
Try song 4 and the last song then listen to whole thing again about three times and see what you think
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2004 at 13:01

OK, I am doing everyone a favor who only wants to hear just the “prog” songs Kansas did.  I have made a list by album (Only Original Lineup) which songs would fit as the definition of “prog” I have seen here:

 

Album                                                             Songs

Kansas:                          Belexis, Journey To MariaBronn, Aprecu, Death of Mother Nature Suite       

 

Song For America:      Title Track, Lamplight Symphony, Imcamudro-Hymn to the Atman

 

Masque:                         Mysteries and Mayhem, The Pinnacle, All the World, Icarus

 

LeftOverature:             Miracles Out of Nowhere, Opus Insert, Cheyenne Anthem, Magnus Opus   

 

Point of Know Return:       Closet Chronicles, Nobodys Home, Helplessly Human

 

Monolith:                        On the Other Side, Away from you, Angels have Fallen, Glimpse of Home

 

Audio Visions:                   No One Together, Curtain of Iron

 

Somewhere to Elsewhere:  Icarus II, Myriad, Distant Vision  

 

If all you are looking for is this format this list should help you but I think you are missing out on so much more theat these guys have to offer.

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