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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2008 at 16:13
If I understood the terms correctly, I think Ephel Duath is a pretty enjoyable bridge of prog to noise and a somewhat painful, yet artistic, leaning towards dissonance.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2008 at 00:27
Well, there's Krautrock (which is as we all know a sub-genre of Prog) band, Faust, whose song "Krautrock" consists of cascading sheets of guitar drones and feedback. I think the band The Saqqara Dogs would also fall into the category because of their noisy Middle Eastern/Arabic influenced experimental rock.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2008 at 00:38
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Can you give an example of 'noise rock'? I'm not sure what it is..


See: Flaming Lips' Oh My Gawd... and Telepathic Surgery Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2008 at 10:55
Yep, check out Jasun Martz "The Pillory / The Battle" . Jasun worked with Zappa and Eddie Jobson in the 70's and released the initial "Pillory" album in 76. The sequel features 115 member orchestra from all over the world playing this incredible orchestral / noise symphony. I played wind synth on this albumCool.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2008 at 11:36
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Can you give an example of 'noise rock'? I'm not sure what it is..

 


Edited by A B Negative - July 01 2008 at 11:38
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2008 at 14:35
Bogdanovich gets noisy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2008 at 10:20
There's no such thing as noise music. Noise is determined by the communication process, not how pleasant or unpleasant it is to one's ears. If the sound being made is intentional then it's classified as sound, if it's unintentional it's noise. All music is intentional.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2008 at 10:33
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

There's no such thing as noise music. Noise is determined by the communication process, not how pleasant or unpleasant it is to one's ears. If the sound being made is intentional then it's classified as sound, if it's unintentional it's noise. All music is intentional.


poor aleatoric music o:(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2008 at 12:24
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

There's no such thing as noise music. Noise is determined by the communication process, not how pleasant or unpleasant it is to one's ears. If the sound being made is intentional then it's classified as sound, if it's unintentional it's noise. All music is intentional.


poor aleatoric music o:(
poor "leaving records spinning for a very long time to the point where they become worn down and scuffed" projects o:(
poor found-sound collages o:(
poor randomised sound installations o:(


But none of those are intentionally inserted into the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2008 at 12:50
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

There's no such thing as noise music.


As far as I see it, all music is nothing more than noise.

Quote Noise is determined by the communication process, not how pleasant or unpleasant it is to one's ears.


The two words signify the same thing: a perception of the exterior via the ears. Wink

Quote If the sound being made is intentional then it's classified as sound, if it's unintentional it's noise. All music is intentional.


I will have to disagree with you here and call up the wisdom of John Cage: All sound is music. Surely things that are accidental can be merited as music, whether the accident is by man or by nature.

By this I mean that Henry Cow's absurd improvisations are full of accidental noise, but I wouldn't dream of not calling it music! Equally, a waterfall, crafted by nature, makes a very satisfying fwoooosh noise, which I think is a purer form of music.

But that's just me...and Cage...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2008 at 19:42
Noise rock always seemed a little more punk to me than anything else in its anarchic sensibility. In that regard, The Liars seem to be about on the money to me. However, probably the closest thing youll find to Noise progressive is Tv on the Radio. I think they're also about as close as your ever gonna come to prog-punk either, for that matter. There is a reason their album Return to Cookie Mountain was such a critics darling. A real stew of about every genre you can think of mixed beautifully. Not just noise as chaos as music, instead they find noise (wind chimes, typewriters, tv fuzz) and turn it into music of energy and passion. Very highly recommended!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2008 at 22:36
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

There's no such thing as noise music. Noise is determined by the communication process, not how pleasant or unpleasant it is to one's ears. If the sound being made is intentional then it's classified as sound, if it's unintentional it's noise. All music is intentional.


poor aleatoric music o:(
poor "leaving records spinning for a very long time to the point where they become worn down and scuffed" projects o:(
poor found-sound collages o:(
poor randomised sound installations o:(
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 02 2008 at 22:49
In regards to the question of whether music is intentional or not, I submit John Cage's "4'33" in which the performer sits at a piano completely motionless for exactly 4 minutes 33 seconds, with the RANDOM ambient noises in the performance space forming the "music".

Edited by Cthulu - July 02 2008 at 22:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2008 at 12:07
Noise has been my thing for quite awhile now, and early appreciation of prog and post rock has really helped set the mood. Prog fans could find a lot to like with noise.  Most bands use unconventional instruments and experiment with new and interesting sounds and ways to use traditional instruments. 
 
There's also a good amount of vintage synths used by these bands, though they're often unrecognizable due to all the pedal effects and homemade patches they use. 
 
For noise-rock stuff (rhythmic, tribal, choppy, discordant.  Good for Krautrock, Industrial, Black metal, Grindcore fans)
- Sightings:  Through the Panama
- Wolf Eyes:  Human Animal, Dog Jaw
- Prurient:  Fossil, And Still, Wanting
- Boredoms:  Vision Creation Newsun, Seadrum
- OOIOO:  Taiga
- WHITEHOUSE:  literally anything
- Sonic Youth:  Confusion is Sex, Bad Moon Rising
- Swans:  Public Castration is a Good Thing
- Xiu Xiu:  Knife Play, The Air Force
- Sword Heaven:  Entrance
- Animal Collective:  anything, especially Sung Tongs and Strawberry Jam
- Black Dice: Load Blown
- Nurse With Wound:  Chance Meeting on a Dissection Table
 
Droning noise (for fans of Tangerine Dream, Eno)
- Burning Star Core:  Operator Dead, Post Abandoned, The Very Heart of the World
- Pocahaunted:  Island Diamonds
- Nadja:  Corrasion
- Sunn O))):  Black One, White1
- Oren Ambarchi: In the Pendulum's Embrace
- Earth:  The Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull, Earth 2
- Merzbow:  1930, Tauromachine, Tamago
- Stars of the Lid:  The Tired Sounds of Stars of the Lid
- Tim Hecker:  Harmony in Ultraviolet
- Emeralds:  anything you can find
 
All these bands range from calm ambient music to crushing distortion, whining feedback and tortured screaming.  Noise music is not for everyone, but if you can get into the soundscapes or the moods behind the music, it really becomes something special for the listener.  Of course, see these groups live.  The sound is so much bigger and more enveloping, plus the shows border on performance art. 
 
Noise is an extremely fringe music genre that doesn't appeal to many people.  Because of the isolation, some bands (none that I've listed here and, frankly, none worth listening to) espouse extremist views ranging from anarchy to National Socialism.  This is seen in other genres, such as black metal, although NSBM is less apparent in message than NS Noise or Punk. I don't support the philosophies of these groups, and don't want PA or anyone else to associate noise or Black Metal with hatred or racism. 
 
I've met several of the artists that I've listed here, and, for the most part, they are non-threating nerds who smoke a lot of weed.  They're also extremely friendly and down to earth and actively hang out with fans at shows. 
 
Most of these artists are extremely prolific, releasing dozens of cassettes, LPs, 7-inches and CD-Rs. 
 
Cheers, PA.  Any questions? 


Edited by Tiresias - July 06 2008 at 12:13
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2008 at 12:22
Good examples of noise shows:  The International Noise Conference:
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 08 2008 at 20:40
argh! I wish you would have posted in my OOIOO thread! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 09 2008 at 01:36
the two bands i thought of were Sun O))) and Merzbow. Sun O))) verges on post but barely. Its drone, feedback and effects. Merzbow is strait up insanity in Mp3 format. noise to me is something closer to merzbow. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2008 at 07:16
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

There's no such thing as noise music. Noise is determined by the communication process, not how pleasant or unpleasant it is to one's ears. If the sound being made is intentional then it's classified as sound, if it's unintentional it's noise. All music is intentional.
 
I think this is the most functional definition, in the sense that a toilet seat is just an object until Duchamp puts it in an art gallery, when it becomes art (good or not).  It's all about context; when something is presented as music, it becomes music.  Thus, birdsongs in nature are "noise" (or "not-art"), pretty though they may be, but when recorded and, well, sold, they become art (though I'm not sure whose Tongue ).  Similarly, ambient noise during a piano recital is just that, but when Cage does a silence experiment, that noise becomes "art."  But as I type this, I have to say I wonder the line is drawn betweeen ambient noise and art during any performance,especially in rock, when the crowd is supposed to be part of the show etc. 
 
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