The Lets talk about awful music of today thread

Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him.

Toaster Mantis wrote: Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him.

No, you weren't around here back then. Actually it was Karnevil9, without the spaces (there was also a different member called Karn Evil 9). I've just done a search, and it seems he got all his posts deleted, tough luck. Basically he was the second biggest ELP fan ever, hated CDs, but first and foremost, he was the 'music ended in '73' - man. Though I think he made one exception for an early '80s album, don't remember which one now.

Visitor13 wrote: Toaster Mantis wrote: Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him. No, you weren't around here back then. Actually it was Karnevil9, without the spaces (there was also a different member called Karn Evil 9). I've just done a search, and it seems he got all his posts deleted, tough luck. Basically he was the second biggest ELP fan ever, hated CDs, but first and foremost, he was the 'music ended in '73' - man. Though I think he made one exception for an early '80s album, don't remember which one now.

"Music ended in '73"... isn't that basically Homer Simpson's opinion on music?

Toaster Mantis wrote: Visitor13 wrote: Toaster Mantis wrote: Who was this Karn Evil 9 person? Either my memory's rusty or I wasn't around for him. No, you weren't around here back then. Actually it was Karnevil9, without the spaces (there was also a different member called Karn Evil 9). I've just done a search, and it seems he got all his posts deleted, tough luck. Basically he was the second biggest ELP fan ever, hated CDs, but first and foremost, he was the 'music ended in '73' - man. Though I think he made one exception for an early '80s album, don't remember which one now. "Music ended in '73"... isn't that basically Homer Simpson's opinion on music?

Homer had something like "Music achieved perfection in 1974."

When did Jefferson Airplane become Starship........ When did the term AOR first get used. Rumours????

I keep confusing the terms "AOR" and "arena rock" with each other. Don't those two categories overlap?

Henry Plainview wrote: Well metal killed itself by being so damn silly. Nobody can be afraid of Dragonforce or Disturbed because it's impossible for any adult to take them seriously.

Dragonforce are unusually tongue-in-cheek and Disturbed aren't really metal, so I'd say neither band is that good a representation of the genre.

The face of modern popular punk is Greenday's American Idiot, Blink-182, My Chemical Romance, and Fallout Boy, so yes, it's become more pop than anything else. "Real" punk still exists, I'm sure, but it's not on the radio. I am having difficulty reconciling people still being afraid of any music genre in Denmark, when bestiality is legal there.

Well, in Denmark the punk subculture is a great deal more insular and dedicated to its principles than I guess it is in most other countries, mostly because here punk's quite inseparably connected to the squatter movement. I'm certain most of those squatterpunks don't think highly of Green Day or Blink 182... and I've never, ever heard MCR and Fallout Boy called punk.

Henry Plainview wrote: I think Disturbed are metal, and Allmusic agrees. Not super heavy metal, but close enough.

Go to a metal forum (ie. a site that actually knows its metal) - and I assure you that the amount of people you'll find thinking of Disturbing as metal can be counted on one hand.

Dragonforce may be trying to be that cheesy, but most heavy metal is about as equally ridiculous.

Eh... when a genre of music is this inherently theatrical and over-the-top, some unintentional goofiness is more or less inevitable. Punk, for example, is just as willfullly garish - especially those bands who have some actual substance to them - and is also ideologically very closely aligned with metal even if there are a few big differences there. However, it gets nowhere as much snobbery thrown its way.

And, hey, even if those two genres get a bit ridiculous on occasion, they're still by far preferable to the gentrified wasteland of boredom that is modern rock. (here I'm not thinking of today's prog as much as of the stuff marketed as "alternative" when it's anything but, and your stereotypical indie band )

So as a fan of metal I've stopped worrying about "cheesiness", which by the way is an awfully subjective term.

But what else can you expect from something influenced by post-grunge?

Now that you mentioned post-grunge... I really hate it when movements are named "post-(insert word here", it's just so lazy. I blame post-modernism, which itself is just shorthand for repeating things Nietzsche already said while presenting it as something new and groundbreaking.


Edited by Toaster Mantis - June 25 2008 at 11:37

The first thing I thought when I had finished watching the trailer for Disaster Movie was "is it just me, or are most of the movies parodied not actually disaster movies?"...