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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 02:51
Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

The guy has the most nasally, forced sounding voice and he just blurts out random words.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 02:55
Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

Today the songs are without any catch, and are pretty much based on new slang terms which is even more stupid.
Sure they do. Pocketful of Sunshine, Umbrella, and I Kissed A Girl are currently tormenting me because they are so abominably catchy.
 
False nostalgia is mostly what this thread is about. The state of the mainstream can change, but I don't think it has, at least not all that much.
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

What a shame that after all those centuries music died 2 decades ago. It had such a good run!

Amen to that, mate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:00
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

False nostalgia is mostly what this thread is about. The state of the mainstream can change, but I don't think it has, at least not all that much.


Trip-hop, Britpop, drum & bass, grunge, nu-metal, "alternative", post-grunge, boy bands, "indie"... and the list of deplorable post-89 styles goes on. Why not hearken back to an age without these abominations?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:07
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

False nostalgia is mostly what this thread is about. The state of the mainstream can change, but I don't think it has, at least not all that much.

Trip-hop, Britpop, drum & bass, grunge, nu-metal, "alternative", post-grunge, boy bands, "indie"... and the list of deplorable post-89 styles goes on. Why not hearken back to an age without these abominations?
Because there's good music in all of those (well not really post-grunge and nu-metal, and boy bands is not a genre) and you're just being cranky by unilaterally declaring music "dead"? How is that even substantially different from disco and crap on any sort of "objective" level? For that matter, what does it even matter that some things are popluar?
 
DnB is awesome, by the way. SNARES BABY!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:12
For a second, you had me going. And then...

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

 
DnB is awesome, by the way.


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Unlistenable modern foolishness based on a beat performed in the late 60s. Go figure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:16
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

For a second, you had me going. And then...
Well no, I don't expect to actually get you to stop being stuck in the past, I'm only doing this for my own amusement. Unless I could actually drag up some modern prog, but because my taste in prog is obviously much different from yours, I don't want to waste time trying to do that. I'll leave it to someone who cares about modern symph.
Quote based on a beat performed in the late 60s. Go figure.
Richard D James stole his music from people in the '60s? That's news to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:19
See the Amen Break. Modern 'artists' stealing? No surprise there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:31

Yes, art died on your cut off date...

That is interesting, I hadn't heard of that before, somehow. How can you count it as stealing or even being "based on" when it's just the same drum sound with a completely different ryhthm? It's not like the end product sounds anything like the original. And RDJ and Co. also used drum machines. Everyone is influenced by something. And he clearly really hates DnB so it's hard for me to take him incredibly seriously--How dare they make something that's not danceable! It's just w**king!
 
By the way, I do agree that a lot of DnB sounds too similar to each other, but that's true of any genre. And why you only listen to the good ones. ;-)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:38
Like, say, David Bowie Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:39
Letterman used to have some really good artists on his show (SNL too), but the last few years it's been mostly crud, tonight it was the Baseball Project   Disapprove

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 03:57
Sure. ;-)
 
I've actually just skimmed through my Aphex Twin collection, and I didn't here it because RDJ uses his own drum machines. So there! This is obviously less true for Squarepusher, though. Thanks for the link, and while I wish he had talked faster, that was very interesting. Especially since he comes down on the side of sampling at the end. I suppose that the original had its roots in jazz/gospel too, so it's an endless chain backwards.
 
Some of those samples aren't even trying. But IDM/DnB isn't stealing!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 07:57
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I'm really not sure about this, I remember the middle '70s being even more horriffic, with Boney M and Donna Summer cluttering up the air waves. Kung-Fu Fighting? Bleachz!

 
 
I agree. I cannot understand these people who praise 70's music as if there was no bad music around. There was just as much, if not more, bad music in the 70's as there was in the 80's or anytime. For whatever reason, many tend to conveniently filter out crap like Shawn Cassidy, The Partridge Family and Debbie Boone.
When people start praising 70's music, I like to mention "Disco Duck" (and the follow up "Discorilla"), "Convoy", "Midnight At The Oasis" and "Afternoon Delight".
 
Well, I digress but there's a lot of great music out there as there has always been at any time in the last many years, you just have to be willing to avoid the mainstream and find it.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 09:56
Originally posted by darren darren wrote:

I agree. I cannot understand these people who praise 70's music as if there was no bad music around. There was just as much, if not more, bad music in the 70's as there was in the 80's or anytime. For whatever reason, many tend to conveniently filter out crap like Shawn Cassidy, The Partridge Family and Debbie Boone.


Thing is, even when keeping the well documented "nostalgia filter" in mind I still feel music is worse off than it was 30 years ago. The good stuff being made today is there, but it is generally much harder to find, and when new bands try to play in an old style they are usually so obsessed with being retro that they fail at bringing anything new to the table. It doesn't help that retro rock has become a fad, which means lots of glorified cover bands get record deals. (noticed that the only good retro bands are those who started before it became popular, like Electric Wizard and Monster Magnet?)

Another part of the problem is... well, not as much grunge as the reaction to grunge - way, way too many people heard something like Nevermind and thought that was the only way good rock music could sound. The results? It's somehow become possible to market extremely formulaic and bland music as "alternative" and expect people to buy it, most people refuse to take prog-rock and metal seriously, boring grey stuff is the average idea of what serious meaningful music is... no wonder Kurt Cobain committed suicide. Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:52
Originally posted by A B Negative A B Negative wrote:

"Popular music" has always been rubbish, that's why we seek out more fulfilling music, that's why we're on this forum. I spent most of the 80s trying to avoid Wham, Swing Out Sister, Matt Bianco, Curiosity Killed the Cat... 
 
Except for the LRB track, which came on the eponymous LRB album with the supurb eight-minute plus version of It's A Long Way There, one only feined appreciation for these groups to impress the girls. The chicks never did dig my music collection because there was never any of that stuff to be found when they looked through it! (And my wife hates most of my music, so nothing has changed.)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:53
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most people refuse to take prog-rock and metal seriously

People never took prog and metal seriously.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 12:27
When music ceases to be a art form it will become awful eventually. There has to be a musical statement.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 14:16
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

most people refuse to take prog-rock and metal seriously

People never took prog and metal seriously.


Well, metal's never ever had it easy but it's difficult not to get the impression that more people (who weren't dedicated fans of those two genres) still took them seriously before grunge became popular than is the case after.

Observe:

In the seventies, you had Yes and Pink Floyd and even Hawkwind pretty high up on the sales top 40 while the Church of England felt seriously threatened by Black Sabbath. In the eighties, a prog supergroup like Asia could become a commercial success - and the establishment was more terrified by metal than ever before.

Today, prog rock is seen as something only nerds listen to and people who don't like metal just laugh at it instead of fearing it. (and remember, fear implies respect) Why? Because grunge has usurped prog's place as the definition of intelligent rock and metal's place as the definition of angry young man rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:29
I'm not sure about that- the genre 'grunge' seems to me to be pretty much dead, save for Pearl Jam who are still plodding on (who I always found one of the most boring bands in the world!!). Its main influence that I can hear is on horrible bands like Nickelback and Puddle Of Mudd who diluted the original grunge sound. I quite liked Nirvana and Soundgarden though.
 
I see a lot of hip US 'indie rock' acts namecheck prog acts as being personally inspirational to them in some way. The tag itself is something of an albatross, though.
 
I often encounter a lot of snobbery aimed at metal though, yes- The Guardian's music blog (which I usually loathe with a vengeance- full of 'right on' old Melody Maker/NME hacks exposing their prejudices time and time again) had a great piece which delved into this. It showed that whilst in recent years there was a lot of begrudging acclaim for albums by bands like Mastodon or even the more 'prog' ones like Opeth and Porcupine Tree, none of their albums featured in any of the 'best albums of the year' poll in any of the major UK magazines or newspapers. It was clear to see there was a definite snobbery- I would argue the UK is the worst place in the world for this snobbery towards certain genres.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:30
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

False nostalgia is mostly what this thread is about. The state of the mainstream can change, but I don't think it has, at least not all that much.


Trip-hop, Britpop, drum & bass, grunge, nu-metal, "alternative", post-grunge, boy bands, "indie"... and the list of deplorable post-89 styles goes on. Why not hearken back to an age without these abominations?


You a communist or something?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:47
seriously, how have the terms "grunge" and "alternative" survived this long? they have no meaning in todays music, at the time, like 1991 it meant "Music that aint soundin' like Winger, Warrant or latter era Boston," But that label got meaningless quick after everyone trended to the 90s haircuts and anyone including sheryl crow and her grandmother were considered "alternative" 

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