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Treasure 
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:34 |
For me, and most people in the prog community, their last three albums have been major let downs. Can Dream Theater turn themselves around and write original compelling music like they did in the 90's?
Discuss.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:42 |
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I certainly hope so. But I liked Systematic Chaos ... except for Forsaken and Prophets of War.
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The T
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:43 |
 Treasure wrote:
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It's been discussed to death already. All you're doing is creating another DT vs Anti-DT war here...
But we can do it... Yes, I think they still "have it".
And I don't need too put much reasoning into that... as your question refers to a purely subjective element, with my taste it should be enough. Other responses can be "no, I don't think they have it" and that would also be enough. That's what you asked anyway.
Now if you gave some reasoning behind your original remark and question, a better discussion could start. 
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:49 |
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It's likely that some wag will say something like, "The real question is: 'Did Dream Theater ever have it?'" Darn those wags.
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:53 |
^^ don't be so harsh on him ... it's actually a valid question which I also asked myself a few times, and I'm a big fan of the band. 
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Single Coil
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:57 |
I was not a fan of the lyrics on Systematic Chaos.
IMO, Dream Theater's CDs are always really close to hitting the mark....
I would like to see their lyrics return to their "glory days", more than their music.
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Treasure
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:57 |
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Okay, can Dream Theater pull themselves together and acutally write original creative music. Systematic Chaos was mediocre, it sounded too robotic. Can Dream Theater make another Scenes From A Memory is what i'm asking.
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 13:59 |
Some of us thought Systematic Chaos was just great. I loved it! My favorite by them since Awake. Maybe I just have a bad taste in music? 
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Darklord55
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 14:13 |
I liked there last three albums. If I am entertained then in my opinion they still have it. I actually used Systematic Chaos to introduce a few noobs who thought hair bands from the 80's was heavy metal. They loved it and were converted to Progressive Metal. So there! 
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 14:36 |
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Musically they're still very strong, though beginning to ge a little stale. In this department Systematic Chaos was their best since Scenes... IMO, but for some reason they're lyrics are getting worse. I would like Petrucci and Portnoy to find whatever it was that allowed them to write such powerful and thoughtful lyrics such as Voices and The Mirror. I'm not saying I want them to do the same as those early 90's albums, but lyrically Awake was definitely their peak.
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 14:40 |
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No.
Dream Theater have become metallica (not in sound). They are washed out. touring and playing the same relative sound for close to 30 years will do that to you. nah, i think its best if they hang it up and stay out of the studio. keep on playing live by all means but spare me any new albums please. . . no offense meant.
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 14:43 |
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Still Have What ? Bread in the cupboard ? Milk in the Fridge ? Wine on the Table ?
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 14:57 |
Yes... we better start a thread "The definition of IT"....
By the way, I think DT still has.... it? Well, there have been moments when I though they lost.... it? Namely, the first disc of 6DOIT, and some of the songs in TOT ("As I Am")... But in general, I think DT still has.... it? I loved SC and I also liked OCTAVARIUM a lot, even though a couple of songs were, I concede, derivative ("Panic Attack").... They're still the best prog-metal band in the world IMO, (well, IMO they're my favorite band period) ... Let's see what they give us whenever they decide to record their tenth release... and we'll know know if they still have.... it?
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 16:17 |
Maybe, but I think that they need a BIG change. The main problem I've
found with DT is that lately their influences has become too obvious. I
don't know if this is some kind of tribute or something, but it
bothers, and, maybe the root of all evil  is that they've tried so many styles (rock, prog, pop, metal, trash, heavy, psych) and in their career of being very eclectic they've fall into a holistic vicious, so, maybe they're lacking of ideas... Hope I'm wrong, sincerely
On the other hand, the La Brie performance has been very criticized,
and I'm agree with that, because the great singer of IaW and Awake has
simply vanished (I've heard that he suffered a little accident during
the Awake tour). Right now I'm listening Scarred, and I can't
understand why his voice has changed so much, and it's not just the
lack of force and presence in his voice, is the lack of inspiration and
feeling, I don't know. However, I consider him a great singer, with
excellent technique, and I hope he can redeem his last 3 not very good
performances :-D
I used to be a big fan of DT and prog metal, but lately I've found more interesting horizons in other styles (damn avantgarde and zeuhl  ), so, for me, a solution would be a drastic change, I don't know, a very experimental prog rock album, an instrumental album, a rock opera, a movie  , I don't know, somethig that divide the audience and redefines what DT is.
Edited by AlexUC - June 13 2008 at 16:23
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 18:33 |
Hawkwise wrote:
Still Have What ? Bread in the cupboard ? Milk in the Fridge ? Wine on the Table ? |
That's why my milk is going bad! I've got them all mixed up!
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 18:39 |
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 18:42 |
Did Dream Theatre ever had it?
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Pnoom!
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:14 |
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Statutory-Mike
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:23 |
Dream Theater without a doubt still has it. I am the farthest away from thinking that their last 3 albums were let downs. My favorite album still is Images & Words but Octavarium had some amazing tracks on it, Train of Thought, while not their most proggy album still has great musicianship and songwriting, In the Name of God is one of my favorite DT songs, and a lot of fans too. Systematic Chaos is also amazing, I do admit I find the lyrics a bit ridiculous at times (D.E.N, Forsaken, The Ministry of Lost Souls), and just Prophets of War in general, but the music is still amazing, ITPOE is truly amazing, especially experiencing it live.
So if you haven't realized already, I don't think that DT lost anything, and still have so much more ahead of them.
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Posted: June 13 2008 at 19:28 |
The T wrote:
Treasure wrote:
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It's been discussed to death already. All you're doing is creating another DT vs Anti-DT war here...
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ahhhh.. smart man that you are Teo... you cut to the heart of it... that is the real question... can you ever have enough DT vs Anti-DT threads here?..
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