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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2008 at 19:05

Phils look real if the pitching holds up, much like the Cubs. At this point, the NL west need not apply. Cubs and Phils don't meet til the end of August. By then the pretenders will be falling away (Cards, Marlins). Dodgers are better than their record and should be at or near first by then. Still have a ways to go if they hope to defeat the NL East/Central offensive onslaughts. Pittsburgh is also better than their record and should overtake the Brewers and possibly the Cardinals. Rumor mill has Junior going to Chicago.

Good series...Cubs/Braves at Wrigley Tues-Thurs.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2008 at 19:35
Originally posted by moderan moderan wrote:

Phils look real if the pitching holds up, much like the Cubs. At this point, the NL west need not apply. Cubs and Phils don't meet til the end of August. By then the pretenders will be falling away (Cards, Marlins). Dodgers are better than their record and should be at or near first by then. Still have a ways to go if they hope to defeat the NL East/Central offensive onslaughts. Pittsburgh is also better than their record and should overtake the Brewers and possibly the Cardinals. Rumor mill has Junior going to Chicago.

Good series...Cubs/Braves at Wrigley Tues-Thurs.

 
I would be so happy if the Buccos finished ahead of the Cardinals. That would mean an above .500 finish and the Cardinals pitching staff to implode even further. It is not looking good for Mark Mulder.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2008 at 19:58
Originally posted by moderan moderan wrote:

Dodgers are better than their record and should be at or near first by then



I really like the Dodgers this year.  One of the few teams that plays ball the old fashioned way, with good pitching, solid fielding, and a knack for getting on base, rather than waiting for the longball (Jeff Kent leads the team in homers with 8 LOL).  They've got a hell of a pitching staff, though they had a few slow starts: Lowe got off to a really bad start (sinkerball pitchers tend to be quite subject to luck anyways), 23-year old Chad Billingsley came out of nowhere after a weak April (check out his latest 7 starts, he's been freaking unbelievable), and we all know that Brad Penny is significantly better than he's pitched this year.  Arizona is basically LA's only competition in the NL West, and they've really slowed down after a powerful start.  With a few pitchers returning to form and monster shortstop Rafael Furcal returning from the DL within about a week, I can only see good things in the Dodgers' future. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2008 at 20:00
lol, when I stop caring about sports the phillies actually do well
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2008 at 20:03
Chase Utley is f**king incredible.  He's the first second baseman to be the first in the majors to 20 HR's since ROGERS HORNSBY.  You know you're doing things well when the only good comparison is to Rogers Hornsby.

He's only the first to 20 because A-Rod has spent half the season hurt, though.  He's hit a homer just about every day since he came back from the DL. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2008 at 20:58
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

He's only the first to 20 because A-Rod has spent half the season hurt, though.  He's hit a homer just about every day since he came back from the DL. 
 
Here's hoping that A-Rod ends up with the HR record by the time he retires.
 
Jr. hit #600 tonight in the first inning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2008 at 20:59
FINALLY.  I was getting sick of the hype around it.  Every time he came to the plate, it would flash at the bottom of the screen "Ken Griffey Jr. is at the plate!" and then thirty seconds later "Griffey struck out looking" or whatever. 

600 is just an arbitrary number anyways.  601 is more impressive than 600, and 602 more impressive than 601, but nobody cares about the ones that aren't round numbers. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2008 at 09:04
Agreed about the Dodgers...they're real young and sorta green, but Torre is one of the good choices to lead/tutor a team like that. Kent isn't a clubhouse leader or anything like that, keeps to himself mostly and so does Nomar, so the on-field leadership has to come from the coaching/managing staff until a position player develops that kind of persona.
Billingsley looks very good. Penny is the key to a possible division title for them. If he pitches reasonably well, or close to his historical form, they have a real chance to do good things in that division. D-backs look to be playing desperate already and that isn't good a third of the way into the season.
Utley is ridiculous and doesn't seem to be playing over his head. His bat speed through the strike zone is as good as anyone's and he has good judgement of the strike zone and seems to have a grasp of what pitchers are trying to do to him. He'll struggle a little against pitchers with good control who are able to execute the old Atlanta gameplan (outside, a little more outside, further outside) and get the calls, but if they make a mistake in location he'll gladly whack the ball to the off-field. Philly could probably play small-ball with their personnel, but they don't have to and have showed little inclination to do so.
I still see the National League as a two-horse race between the Phils and Cubs...the junior circuit has a couple more entries but things look like Boston again unless someone on a hot streak at years' end can knock them off in the short series.
Can't entirely discount the Cards because LaRussa will do everything he can to manage them into the playoffs but I don't think they have the horses to make it. Florida or Pittsburgh could conceivably win the wild-card, or Dodgers/Arizona, whichever doesn't win the division.
Whatever happens, terrific season so far, plenty of surprises. My lady was kind enough to buy the MLB satellite package for me as a Father's Day present, so I'll look forward to being a captive audiene as I sit here in my office and do the stuff I do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2008 at 13:18
Originally posted by moderan moderan wrote:

Agreed about the Dodgers...they're real young and sorta green, but Torre is one of the good choices to lead/tutor a team like that. Kent isn't a clubhouse leader or anything like that, keeps to himself mostly and so does Nomar, so the on-field leadership has to come from the coaching/managing staff until a position player develops that kind of persona.
Billingsley looks very good. Penny is the key to a possible division title for them. If he pitches reasonably well, or close to his historical form, they have a real chance to do good things in that division. D-backs look to be playing desperate already and that isn't good a third of the way into the season.
Utley is ridiculous and doesn't seem to be playing over his head. His bat speed through the strike zone is as good as anyone's and he has good judgement of the strike zone and seems to have a grasp of what pitchers are trying to do to him. He'll struggle a little against pitchers with good control who are able to execute the old Atlanta gameplan (outside, a little more outside, further outside) and get the calls, but if they make a mistake in location he'll gladly whack the ball to the off-field. Philly could probably play small-ball with their personnel, but they don't have to and have showed little inclination to do so.
I still see the National League as a two-horse race between the Phils and Cubs...the junior circuit has a couple more entries but things look like Boston again unless someone on a hot streak at years' end can knock them off in the short series.
Can't entirely discount the Cards because LaRussa will do everything he can to manage them into the playoffs but I don't think they have the horses to make it. Florida or Pittsburgh could conceivably win the wild-card, or Dodgers/Arizona, whichever doesn't win the division.
Whatever happens, terrific season so far, plenty of surprises. My lady was kind enough to buy the MLB satellite package for me as a Father's Day present, so I'll look forward to being a captive audiene as I sit here in my office and do the stuff I do.


That's definitely the one thing they're really missing right now.  My impression of Jeff Kent is that he's more of a detriment in the clubhouse than simply a non-factor (remember Kent in San Fran?), and even if Nomar had the leadership skills he isn't with the team often enough to help.

They've gotten lucky so far at 3B, I think.  They should have planned that team assuming that Nomar wasn't going to play most of the season, because the fact is that he cannot be counted on to play many games.  They've gotten lucky as hell with Blake DeWitt, who is currently outplaying his talent; you don't raise your slugging percentage by 100 points when you take the leap from AAA to the majors unless you're getting seriously lucky. 

Me and my friends were betting before the season started how late into April Nomar would last before he got hurt.  The answer: he hit the DL on March 31. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2008 at 15:38

LOL...I do remember Kent in SF, but he was fighting with Bonds. I'm inclined to discount that as Barry has demonstrated himself to be an ass on many occasions.

Luis Maza is their only other healthy alternative at 3B on the 40-man roster. That's not much of an alternative. I don't believe the LaRoche hype...Dodgers might be able to trade for an MLB-proven third baseman but that would be costly. Their best bet for a backup would likely be Royals AAA starter David Kelton, who hit for decent power and average a couple years ago when he had a cup of coffee with the Cubs. At 27 he's no longer a prospect and could be had cheap.

The Dodgers are a couple of years away from a consistent contender...however I like them the same way I like the Pirates. Pittsburgh would be in second place if they didn't have such a terrible record against Chicago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2008 at 21:02
Furcal is now thought to be on the DL until about 3 weeks from now, rather than 1.  As a result, the Dodgers have stated that they're gonna put Nomar back at short when he returns from the DL.  I have a feeling that that's not gonna end well Confused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2008 at 21:50
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Furcal is now thought to be on the DL until about 3 weeks from now, rather than 1.  As a result, the Dodgers have stated that they're gonna put Nomar back at short when he returns from the DL.  I have a feeling that that's not gonna end well Confused


Maybe they should put Mia at short instead.  Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2008 at 23:34
Ugggh, yeah, I saw that item on Sportscenter. Hopefully Furcal can return before Nomar goes on back on the DL.
Soriano broke a bone in his hand when hit by a pitch-six to eight weeks out for him. Looks like some playing time for Matt Murton in left and Theriot/Reed Johnson leading off. Could be worse. Glavine went down yesterday for the Braves, on the DL with a shoulder. Ortiz is down for Boston too...injuries piling up there and they keep rolling. Deep farm club though. Same for the Cubs-almost every one of their minor league affiliates is leading their division.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2008 at 12:12
Looks like it is time for someone in the NL Central to make their move. The Cards are putting their hopes on Chris Duncan at 1st base. Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha! If you have ever seen him play the outfield you will know what I mean.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2008 at 15:20
The Tigers just completed a 3-game sweep of the first place Chicago Pale Hose with a Miguel Cabrera walk-off home run in the bottom of the 9th inning to win 2 to 1.  I was at last night's game and Justin Verlander definitely pitched his best game of the year with a 4 hitter and the Tigers winning 5 to 1.  FYI, today is the 1 year anniversary of Verlander's no-hitter against the Milwaukee Brewers.
 
This weekend the Los Angeles Dodgers come to town (see above for recent discussion of the Dodgers) to start phase 2 of interleague play.  The Tigers have traditionally played well during interleague games, so hopefully that trend will continue.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2008 at 15:24
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The Tigers just completed a 3-game sweep of the first place Chicago Pale Hose with a Miguel Cabrera walk-off home run in the bottom of the 9th inning to win 2 to 1.  I was at last night's game and Justin Verlander definitely pitched his best game of the year with a 4 hitter and the Tigers winning 5 to 1.  FYI, today is the 1 year anniversary of Verlander's no-hitter against the Milwaukee Brewers.
 
This weekend the Los Angeles Dodgers come to town (see above for recent discussion of the Dodgers) to start phase 2 of interleague play.  The Tigers have traditionally played well during interleague games, so hopefully that trend will continue.   


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it is not too late for them...  and in that division.. one hot streak gets you right back in the swing of things.   A line-up like that can't be held down that long.  Shame about Dontrell though.. .hopefully they can fix his mechanics or get him to lose weight down in A ball.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2008 at 15:33
I was at the game on Monday too.  Dontrelle was absolutely atrocious.  He threw 60+ pitches in 1 1/3 innings and only 20+ of them were strikes, and it wasn't because the umpire was squeezing him.  He pitched like the left-handed version of Ricky Vaughn (the movie Major League reference).  Brandon Inge, the catcher, did his best John Travolta Saturday Night Fever imitation trying to catch most of his pitches.  (the dance where he points high in the air.  Most of the pitches were high and outside). 
 
Agreed though, it sure would be nice to have the D-Train in our staff that won 20+ games in his rookie season.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2008 at 15:37
according the 'pros' at ESPN.. it is his mechanics that are the problem..  with that delivery of his.. and the extra weight he carries we can hope, for his sake as well as the Tigers, that those problems CAN be fixed in time.  The Tigers invested a hell of a lot of money in him... they should be able to fix what ails him. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2008 at 16:21
Unfortunately, the papers here are comparing Dontrelle to Rick Ankiel.  A young pitcher with a ton of potential who developed a mental block when it came to throwing strikes.  A lot of it does have to do with mechanics, and as Dontrelle said, finding that rhythm but I suspect that that mental block is there too, and that might be just as difficult to overcome. 
 
Was it Chuck Knoblauch or Steve Sax or another 2nd baseman that inexplicably forgot how to throw the ball from second base to first base?  One of the easiest throws in baseball but psychologically impossible for that guy.  As Yogi Berra is attributed as saying "90% of the game is half mental".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2008 at 20:08
Knoblauch would make sense, he kinda asploded overnight at second base. 

BTW, Rick Ankiel's sudden inability to throw strikes was even more stunning than Willis'; in the third inning of a playoff game, he walked four and threw five wild pitches (setting the single-inning record for the modern era) to allow 4 runs on 2 hits.  After that game, he never was able to throw strikes.  It should be noted, however, that LaRussa was notorious for abusing Ankiel's arm that year, to the extent that baseball analysts (statistical ones, not the bums on TV) were complaining about it before the problems surfaced. 


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