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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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I sure as hell didn't hahahha.. .. sounds like something I'd really dig. |
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66555 |
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Being a Rush fan, I actually know who they are as well, because they are Rush's little brother. I own a few of their albums, mostly because they are on the Anthem record label. I haven't done any reviews of their albums yet though. Maybe one of these days.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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what do think of the music Scott? .. that album Hugues reviewed in particular
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66555 |
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I think that Hugues described it very well. I don't have the history with them that he does, since my interest was more because of the involvement of Rush with their music. However, I agree that they are more straight ahead rock and roll. I hate to say this, in case it isn't necessarily true, but they might appeal to you in the since that they remind me a bit of Traffic. But this might be more because of their album High Class in Borrowed Shoes reminding me of Traffic's High-Heeled Boys. I'll pull out their debut album this weekend and give it a refresher listen, and maybe even a review for posterity's sake. (Of course, in my case that might be posterior's sake).
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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thanks Scott.. let me know if you do that review.. I don't catch the front page and reviews usually unless I have a heads-up to be watching for something. The Traffic similarity intrigues me highly... Micky loves him some LSoHHBs hahhaha or anything that has that sound. |
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66555 |
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Hey Micky, I gave the Max Webster debut album a couple of listens. It was released in 1976 and it has that 1970's rock and roll feel. It is hard for me to compare to other bands, but I do hear Kiss in the first song (might be because it is about drinking and hang overs); a bit of Traffic on a couple songs; one song reminded me of the Allman Brothers; there is a little bit of Deep Purple thrown in there as well; the vocals at times remind me a bit of Paul Rodgers; not really sure why. Musically, Toronto Tontos is probably the proggiest, but it also has the strangest use of vocals.
In case you are interested, here is a link to their website, which includes the obligatory 30 second samples. http://www.maxwebster.ca/MW_sounds.shtml
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66555 |
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Another Canadian band and album I would like to throw out there is Generation 13 by Saga. I think it is a shame that Saga is still included in Prog Related and that they haven't been moved to a full-fledged prog category: most likely Crossover Prog. Most everyone knows Worlds Apart, but many of you don't know that they came back a number of years later and released a concept album called Generation 13.
Here is a 4 star review which does a nice job of talking about this album:
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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thanks... putting together an order now.. I think this one will find a place on it. Thanks Scott. |
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LinusW ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 27 2007 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 10665 |
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Amazing album. I'd say it makes my top 10 - all genres. |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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amen brother...
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LinusW ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 27 2007 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 10665 |
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One of the best covers as well. I've dug many boxes of LP's just to find it, and still it eludes me. My "art collection" will never be complete without it.
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I'm not sure if this meets with Micky's specifications, since it is a one-off album by a "supergroup" instead of a prog rock masterpiece from a band better known for non-prog music, but I liked this album and Bob's review, hence I have added this post to this thread. OYSTERHEAD — The Grand Pecking Order
Review by ClemofNazareth (Bob Moore) Special Collaborator Prog Folk Researcher
Oysterhead consists of Trey Anastasio (Phish), Les Claypool (Primus), and former Police drummer Stewart Copeland, and the only reason I bought this album was to hear what Copeland would sound like after fifteen years or so away from playing in a legitimate band (I think he’s been mostly doing movie soundtracks and stuff like that since he left the Police). Pause and form a mental picture of what you think a band with these three guys should look and sound like. Whatever you’re thinking, it’s probably off-base. Having suffered through listening to the results of contrived lineups of numerous “all-star” bands over the years, I actually expected this album to be an over-hyped flop, and after the first listen that was my initial impression, and I found myself wishing that the band’s web site had a return policy. After a few more listens though, this album has really grown on me. There are a couple of small turds in the mix, to be sure, but overall this is a collection of songs that you can play many times and find something new almost every time. And by the way, Copeland’s drumming hasn’t lost anything in the time he’s been away. He pretty much lives above the rim the whole album, with an almost indulgent use of snares, and of what must be some pretty interesting-looking cymbals, judging from some of the funky sounds he’s coaxing out of them. The lyrics are a mixed-bag, ranging from socially conscious to just plain silly, which isn’t surprising considering Anastasio and Claypool’s histories with their respective bands. There is a very definite aura of control by Claypool throughout, with most of the tracks having at least a hint of a Primus feel to them. But there is a bit more structure and discipline to the music than you’ll find on albums like Pork Soda or Rhinoplasty. I suppose this is largely attributable to Anastasio’s considerable skill at arranging the music, and Copeland’s well-honed commercial sensibilities. Finally, most of the songs have some degree of improvisational jamming to them, and clearly the Phish influence is shining through – I don’t think either the Police or Primus is particularly known for their spontaneity in the studio. Clearly this band was made to be live on stage though, and their web site is pretty liberally sprinkled with free concert videos for fans to download. There is also a lengthy policy statement explaining how fans can tape live concerts for their own benefit, and even post their recordings for free distribution to other fans. I have in fact downloaded several such recordings from various amateur fan sites (placed there with the full consent of the band, I will point out!), and most of these songs sound even better live than they do on the album. So if you’re interested in the musical styles of any of these three artists, you should think of Grand Pecking Order as a solid sampler of what they will sound like live (although to my knowledge they haven’t really played live much since the supporting tour for this album back in 2001). “Little Faces” starts off with a funky rhythm between Claypool’s bass and Copeland’s drums that has the effect of sounding like a motorcycle or poorly muffled racing engine revving up. It’s a pretty creative way to open the album, and gives way eventually into a rather extended jam that has a strong Phish feel to it. I wish I had more experience listening to both Phish and especially Primus because both Anastasio and Claypool provide vocals but they are kind of hard to tell apart. In “Oz is Ever Floating” Claypool lays down some funky blues-influenced licks that are supported with a driving staccato beat from Copeland. I can’t tell if Claypool is using a voice box or is just synching his vocals perfectly to Anastasio’s guitar, but the effect is quite original. “Mr. Oysterhead” is a song that is totally made to be played live. This one actually reminds me of some of the funkier early stuff the Gap Band did, except that the vocals are almost like the Beastie Boys at times. This one could easily be drawn out to eight or ten minutes in a live setting and still hold the interest of listeners. (Billy Came Back from Vietnam) a “Shadow of a Man” has one of the few serious topics on the album. It’s a song about a man returning from Vietnam with some mental and social adjustment issues, apparently one of many victims of Agent Orange exposure. This is a reference to a rather dated social issue, but the change of tempo shows the range this group is capable of. Copeland throws in some unusual percussion that has a bit of an Oriental feel to it, and Anastasio’s guitar has kind of an ‘Apocalypse Now’ sound that sets the mood well. I’m not sure what the point is in “Radon Balloon”, maybe some sort of nuclear reference or something. This is a rather subdued song, with Anastasio actually switching to an acoustic guitar. Claypool’s bass sounds like he’s slapping wet noodles on “Army’s on Ecstasy”, a sarcastic dig at the mental state of some of our men and women in uniform (this is kind of a sacred-cow subject today, but keep in mind the song was written in early 2001). The vocals here are actually a bit annoying at times, especially Claypool’s ‘voice-in-a- can’ sound that reminds me of some of Klaatu’s early stuff. I think “Rubberneck Lions” is just a bunch of pointless babbling thrown together with most of the lyrics appearing to be chosen simply because they rhyme. Anastasio wanders about with some funky licks that sound as if they were improvised in the studio. Overall this would have been just as good as an instrumental, and whoever is singing the harmony sounds a lot like Gordon Gano from Violent Femmes. “Polka Dot Rose” is a darker kind of chant that I didn’t really get the point of, but Claypool and Copeland do a nice job of laying down a toe-tapping tempo at least. “Birthday Boys” is an Anastasio tune, and he brings out an acoustic guitar again for this one. I gather this song is about a chick named Gina who is a bit of a tease, although I could certainly have that wrong. I’m pretty sure “Wield the Spade” is a dig at world leaders like GW who assume their powers to be unlimited. The timing here is interesting. Oysterhead was scheduled to kick off their tour supporting the album on September 15, 2001, and their first few shows were canceled after the September 11th terrorist attacks. Although the voice on this song sounds remarkably like Al Gore, the lyrics seem almost prophetically aimed as a reference to the abuses of power the current American president has been accused post-September 11th. Kind of creepy listening to this song knowing it was written before the unfolding of the past five years’ political and social events. The lyrics from “Pseudo Suicide” are Claypool’s, and the real-life references wrapped around the encore “’cause there ain’t no cure for suicide” undoubtedly have some sort of hidden meaning that escapes me, but probably means something to those who know him. He and Copeland seem especially inspired on this one, with a driving rhythm that is more upbeat than anywhere else on the album. “Grand Pecking Order” is just a flat-out disgruntled-member-of-the-human-race rant. You just gotta’ love these lyrics: “In the grand pecking order, where is it you lie? are you the tall hog at the trough, Or a piglet in the sty? On the grand ladder of life, are you near the highest rung? Or somewhere near bottom with your nose in hairy bung. And so you sniff it with a smile on your face, for to pout about would only bring disgrace – to the Grand Pecking Order”. “Owner of the World”, I guess, is about a corporate and social climber who has reached his zenith and is now just another average Joe: “He used to own the world, he used to be the one. Like hundred hungry dogs in heat, on cinnabar and rum; ground and sifted and washed it, dried it in the sun. But his heart just wouldn't buy it and his feet began to run. He used to be the Owner of the World, but now he's just another man, who used to be the Owner of the World”. Anastasio closes out this last track with some very tasty licks that dance around Copeland’s simple but fast-moving beat. This is a short but sweet tune that left me expecting more after the album ended, even after I originally didn’t think the album was even worth keeping. Like I said at the beginning, that’s what a few listens to this album will do – get you hooked and eventually you’ll probably even sing the praises of this innovative and energetic work by three well-established musical geniuses who somehow managed to break with the traditional mold of “all-star” lineups that either take themselves too seriously, or try to bite off more than they can chew. Oysterhead seems to be not only keeping their egos and ambitions in check on the album; they actually seem to be having fun doing it. If you have a chance to pick this one up, consider it a priority – this is a record you will still be playing from time to time even years from now. If I ever get a chance to see these guys live, I will undoubtedly consider it the highlight of my social calendar for that year. Oysterhead and Grand Pecking Order are real gems whose real genius, in the grand tradition of much of the progressive genre, will probably not be fully appreciated for many years to come. peace |
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Queen By-Tor ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 13 2006 Location: Xanadu Status: Offline Points: 16111 |
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That's one I've been meaning to pick up. Haven't found it for under $20 (can.) though. I love Claypool but
sometimes Primus can be a bit much for me. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Some see this album as flawed, the product of a broken idol, yet I see it as nothing short of a pure masterpiece, as James so eloquently explains in the review below, it this is an album of contradictions and opposites, like the cover picture it is searing light and brooding shade in one, claustrophobic and expansive, withdrawn and introvert, open and expressive. Even the stumbles and restarts, (revealing more the frustrations of the producer than the artist), fit the mood of the album and the mood of the artist. A maverick talent who cleared away the clutter rather than paint himself into a corner.
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Queen By-Tor ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 13 2006 Location: Xanadu Status: Offline Points: 16111 |
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I haven't listened to that one as much as I've listened to Barrett, but I definitely think I should spin it again. Great
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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This one:
![]() Review Easy Livin (Bob McBeath) Admin Group Site Admin & Moderator 4 stars "What kind of people do you think we are? Another joker who's a rock and roll star for you? I thought I would get in early with one review of a Black Sabbath album, as "Sabotage" is for me the most progressive album they made. Here we have two epic prog tracks, "Megalomania" and "The writ", plus 6 other fine recordings. The album relies heavily on keyboards, including synthesisers, played by Gerald Woodruffe. Also present are the English Chamber Choir! Taking those two tracks epic first, "Megalomania" is a superbly crafted 10 minute piece which focuses on the main theme (or concept) of the album, insanity and mental illness (OK, maybe not a surprising topic for the makers of "Paranoid"!). The track starts as a slow, menacing nightmare with lyrics such as Obsessed with fantasy, possessed with my schemes. I mixed reality with pseudo god dreams The ghost of violence was something I'd seen I sold my soul to be the human obscene About midway, the pace is increased and track transforms into a magnificently pompous orchestrated cacophony. Ozzy sounds positively insane as he vividly describes his nightmares, the stereo effects enhancing the experience. This truly is a prog masterpiece which set the standard for many of the prog metal bands who were to follow. At over 8 minutes, "The writ" also has plenty of space for symphonic orchestration and a fine arrangement. The track, which is reportedly aimed at a previous band manager, if full of acidic lyrics such as "Are you Satan are you man, you've changed in life since it began" and You are nonentity, you have no destiny. You are a figment of a thing unknown, a mental picture of a stolen soul, The fornication of your golden throne. The final section includes some excellent soft verses which are counterbalanced by the louder "everything is gonna work out fine" choruses. These two tracks, which represent just under half the album, are good enough reason alone to recommend "Sabotage". In fact though, they are supported by a further six fine songs. Like "Megalomania", "Thrill of it all" sets out as a slow, heavy dirge, but is transformed midway into an upbeat thriller with soaring synths and multi-tracked vocals. While there are no obvious hit singles, the most commercial track is "Am I going insane (radio)", which features an irritatingly catchy chorus. By the way, the bracketed word "radio" in the title does not mean it is a radio edit, there are no other versions. The word apparently is cockney rhyming slang for "mental", coming from the long gone company Radio Rental. The oddest track is "Supertzar", which is nominally an instrumental, but features a choral interlude in true prog style. In all, a truly superb album which belies any notion that Black Sabbath did not work hard on their releases. There is a level of attention to detail here which when combined with some top class song writing makes for an album which will please many fans of prog, and especially prog metal. Report this review (#144022) | Posted 2:36:37 PM EST, 10/12/2007 |
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I have to admit that I fell hopelessly in love with Led Zeppelin on the day I heard Whole Lotta Love for the first time. They have been on my recordplayer and later the CD-player ever since. I really think that every progfan should at least own one of their albums. Since this thread is about the proginess of that album, I will not go for IV, their best known masterpiece. Instead I choose this:
![]() Physical Graffitiby LED ZEPPELIN
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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nice to see this thread still going.. thanks everyone... have some community clappies hahhaha
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Another superb album from the early Seventies, which surprisingly no one has mentioned yet...
![]() Whatever happens, don't get hold of the 'new' recording of the album, which features Geoff Downes among others... I've read the comments here, and it seems it's quite dire. Anyway, here's an equally superb review by one of the very best reviewers on PA: salmacis (James Jeffery) SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Content Addition ![]() As a band, Wishbone Ash tend to divide the room over whether they are prog or not, mainly because they don't use keyboards. Whilst the debut definitely has a blues rock overall sound, 'Pilgrimage' is more ambitious and folkier, while 'Argus' is the perfect synthesis of both worlds. This IS a prog masterpiece, in my opinion, with the intricacy and complexity you would expect of prog, albeit with guitars to the forefront rather than keyboards. 'Time Was' is one of the band's very best, but then so is everything else on this album. It begins with a glistening, gentle acoustic guitar intro which sets in motion the laid back tone to the first section of the track. The guitars lilt nicely throughout this section, and the layered vocals are gorgeous, being far more polished than anything heard on their previous albums. This gives way to a furious rock-out section, though, characterised by the driving twin guitars of Ted Turner and Andy Powell, precise and rocking percussion from Steve Upton and the mellow vocal of Martin Turner. There are some stunning guitar solo sections here, with the folkier mid section being particularly memorable, but the best is saved until last- a gloriously extended climax with bluesy, hard driving twin guitar work and shuffling percussion. A genuine classic by any standards. 'Sometime World' is a mellower track, to begin with. It has a hazy, laid back feel with shimmering guitar work and fine lead vocals from Martin Turner. Steve Upton's light percussion work is well judged and the perfect foil for the generally subdued guitars, but it's Upton's work which switches the mood as he increases the tempo and the guitars get rockier. The harmonies are in the same mould as 'Vas Dis' from 'Pilgrimage' and accompany the furious guitars very well indeed. 'Blowin' Free' is a definite favourite of mine- it has a boogie flavour, not a million miles away from songs like 'Blind Eye' or 'Jailbait' from earlier albums, but again, mellower and the guitar work is a lot more intricate right from the off. The dual vocals of Martin Turner and Andy Powell (these days fronting two separate versions of Wishbone Ash- a la Barclay James Harvest, but without the acrimony, it seems) handle the melody wonderfully, and the guitar solos are amongst the most melodic and memorable I know of. The mellower mid section, with group harmonies and strummed guitar, is a highlight of the band's career and the climax with full on slide guitar is still amazing to behold. This has doubtless been played in every gig since it was first aired by the band. 'The King Will Come' is a mid tempo rocker, with a slowburning intro that has an almost reggae (!) flavour due to the syncopated twin guitars. Steve Upton's percussion is loose and funky, before plunging into the main riff with the heavy guitars to the fore. This song reminds me a little of 'Full House' era Fairport Convention, with its folky dual vocals, but the twin guitar work keep things rocking throughout. The guitar heavy climax is particularly intricate from a musical standpoint. 'Leaf and Stream' tends to be overlooked in favour of the rockier tracks, but it's a shame as it's a gorgeous folk gem. It's like the acoustic instrumental 'Lullaby' from the previous album, with its very gentle guitars but this one has a fine lead vocal performance. 'Warrior' is more typical Ash fare, with its strident heavy guitar work, powerful percussion and a more reposed mid section with hazy guitar, neat harmony vocals and pared down percussive work. The chorus here is one of the band's most iconic of all, and this has a smorgasbord of great guitar solos, before segueing into 'Throw Down The Sword' which gives the impression of an ongoing epic. This begins slowly but surely, with the twin guitar riff rising in tension alongside Steve Upton's spiralling drum rolls. Again, the chorus is stirring stuff, with a glorious guitar solo to round the album off wonderfully. This remains one of my favourite albums, and is definitely a 5 star masterwork by any standards, flowing beautifully throughout and as such, is highly consistent. I personally felt the remix of a few years ago was superbly done, and as a result the album overcame slight sonic murk to sound like it could have been recorded yesterday. Quite why the sleeve of this remastered/remixed version has done away with the UFO on the cover, though, is anybody's guess! |
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Dunno if Proto Prog counts, but as far I'm concerned any Proto Prog band is Prog Related, but not every Prog Related is Prot Prog.
![]() Flucktrot (Chris) PROG REVIEWER 5 stars Quadrophenia is one of the few double albums that has enough good music, great performances, and continuously interesting and relevant themes to truly be considered a progressive rock masterpiece (including Floyd's Wall, Yes' Topo, and Ayreon's Human Equation). In fact, it's probably the only double album I've heard that is a true prog masterpiece (I allow for the possibility that there are some out there that I have yet to encounter). This is a terrific band at its absolute creative, motivational, and musical peak, and the result is an album for the ages! (I can't cover each song, so I'm just hitting the highlights--though it's ALL excellent!) Disk 1. What a great start to the album--a brief introduction of themes, followed by the all-out rock explosion of The Real Me, and then the alternatingly bombastic, intricate, and poignant title track. Few bands can hit you with a combo like that! The Who demonstrate that at this point they can do in-your-face rock and symphonic oriented pieces superbly. Special note has to be given to Townshend, both for the great melodies and some inspired playing (I didn't know he had it in him!). Then we eventually move to the power-chord dominated Punk and the Godfather, followed by Daltrey's twisted dual voiced Helpless Dancer (I swear Roger Waters borrowed from this in Run Like Hell). I've Had Enough is a fitting ending to the disk, as it moves from intense to reflective bits, and ends with the literal and figurative crash. Disk 2. If you think the boys had gotten a little too prog at this point, they bring you back with three straight-up rockers: 5:15, Sea and Sand, and Drowned. These are great tunes, but things really pick up (and get cohesive musically) with Bell Boy through to the end. If I don't have time for the entire album, sometimes I just listen to the last four to get me where I need to be. Doctor Jimmy picks up the intensity (and angst), and leads nicely into The Rock (the "other" instrumental, but as high in quality as Quadrophenia). Then we come to the conclusion. A powerful song by itself, after the emotional roller-coaster you have been on through the album, those piano chords over a thunderstorm put you in the right mindset to be properly moved by the introduction of the main theme. And then Daltrey hits you with the chorus. For me, few musical moments can compare to this sequence. The Who have accomplished something remarkable with Quadrophenia: great music, great playing, and a captivating story. It resonates still today, and it has a happy ending without being cheesy or overly sentimental. It has been and likely always will be one of the most important pieces of my collection. Report this review (#140751) | Posted Thursday, September 27, 2007 |
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