The development of prog

I think aerandir  has a valid point. Jazz and classical music have their offshoots as well. Why can`t we  just stick to terms like jazz-rock for say,The Mahavishnu Orchestra, Classical Rock for bands like Focus or as I suggested on an earlier thread Experimental Rock. This would eliminate a lot of confusion and we could categorize everyone from Dream Theatre to Bill Bruford`s Earthworks under the same roof 

Edited by Vibrationbaby

For me there are 4 big categories

1. Progressive Metal : Distinctive from it's heavier music and often from it's year of foundation as we come closer to "now" bands tend to adapt a heavier style. examples : Dream Theater , Psychotic Waltz, Fates Warning , Pain of Salvation , Evergrey etc..

2. Progressive Rock : Close to Prog Metal but with more "gentle" music. examples : Pink Floyd, Rush, Van der Graaf generator etc

3. Classical/Symphonic Rock : Distinctive from the regylar use of classic instruments such as flutes, violins and its tone of music which tends to be softer than progressive rock. examples : Jethro Tull , Genesis , The Moody Blues, Focus

4. Jazz/Rock groups : Close to Progressive Rock but with serious Jazz Influence. Usually they don't have a lot of lyrics. Example : Mahavishnu Orchestra

To me it seems like a good dinstiction. I'm aware that Rush and Floyd are not the same but so are The Dark Side of the Moon and Wall. Even 2 albums from the same band can have differences (and it's welcomed).

Well, of course Led Zep/Deep Purple and The Sabs did that, but I think Focus had a lot of influence with Hocus Pocus!

Was he in Brainbox before or after Focus?

maybe I'd better ask first: Do you know Brainbox? I mean, they're pretty well-known in Holland, but I must not forget, they're a Dutch band!

I've got two Brainbox albums but Akkerman is only on one of them. I also have the CD release of the Akkerman Brainbox album which has bonus tracks. I only have one recording of him with The Hunters which is on a compilation album from the Early 80's called the Essental Jan Akkerman and the track is a killer "The Russian Spy And I". He also played in a band called Johnny and the Cellar Rockers but I've never come across any of these. This was pre-Hunters. Glad to see someone out there who is interested in this frequently overlooked guitar god. There is a lot more to Akkerman than "Hocus Pocus"!

Yeah that's me. I have over 2,000 albums I accumulated mostly during th 1970's and 1980's. Not only prog albums but a lot of jazz as well. I never bought an album because it was a "collectors" item It was always for the music, although I do have a few which are worth something. The thing that really bothers me about these guys who collect records just for the sake of it is that they drive up the prices of records that people like myself want just for the music.

2,000? Good Gracious Man, when do you get laid?

 I've got about 500-700 and my old lady thinks I'm obsessed.

I got about 33 or so Allan Holdsworth related discs, all the Rush, Floyd, Beatles, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

2,000? Holy Sheep, Batman.

So, Vibration you must own this stuff:

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Edited by dalehauskins on 11 March 2004 at 15:55

Edited by danbo

Sorry Joren, I posted this one as a joke. I hope he gets the message.

Joren wrote: semismart wrote: Hey, I didn't see Argent, Uriah Heep, Blood sweat and Tears, Iron Butterfly, Rare Earth, Cream, or The Chambers Brothers mentioned. I'm trying to talk only about PURE prog rock. Iron Butterfly had their great song, but they're not considered real prog, as far as I know... And have you seen my list? I've got enough to do!

Hey no problem. You asked, I answered. You did look a little light in 60s though!

semismart wrote: Joren wrote: semismart wrote: Hey, I didn't see Argent, Uriah Heep, Blood sweat and Tears, Iron Butterfly, Rare Earth, Cream, or The Chambers Brothers mentioned. I'm trying to talk only about PURE prog rock. Iron Butterfly had their great song, but they're not considered real prog, as far as I know... And have you seen my list? I've got enough to do! Hey no problem. You asked, I answered. You did look a little light in 60s though!

I think you're right by mentioning those bands (I love Iron Butterfly and Uriah Heep), but I can't put all of that in my paper (I could fill 20 pages with Yes, Genesis, ELP, VdGG and Gentle Giant only ). Thanks for your help!