HI!

I'm writing a large paper for school. Of course it's about (the development of) progressive rock, and I thought maybe you could help me a bit

I wonder what bands you consider as being the most influential, the most important, or just the BEST bands of each decade.

So what do you think are the best progbands from the sixties, seventies, eighties and nineties?

Thanks in advance!

Joren

Hello and a very interesting paper you chose!

i think this linik will help you http://www.encyclopedia.com/searchpool.asp?target=progressive+rock - http://www.encyclopedia.com/searchpool.asp?target=progressiv e+rock  you can also search for other prog-genres! everything is included!

Concerning my opinion of which bands were more influential i would say 4 among dozens that exist! Pink Floyd , Jethro Tull , Genesis and (oh yes, i'm gonna say it..) Dream Theater  

Thanks Aerandir! I will not forget Dream Theater (how could I? )

I tried to make a list for the sixties and seventies already. Please correct/criticise it! (I need it)

MOST IMPORTANT PROGBANDS OF THE SIXTIES:

Caravan

Colosseum

Genesis

Jethro Tull

King Crimson

Moody Blues

Nice, The

Pink Floyd

Renaissance?

Soft Machine

Van Der Graaaf Generator

Vanilla Fudge

Yes

MOST IMPORTANT PROGBANDS OF THE SEVENTIES:

New

Amon Düül II?

Ange?

Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso

Barclay James Harvest

Brand X

Camel

Can

Colosseum II?

Eloy

Emerson, Lake And Palmer

Focus

Gentle Giant

Gong?

Hawkwind

Magma

Mahavishnu Orchestra

Oldfield, Mike

Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM)?

Rush

Saga?

Strawbs?

Old (already wel-known in the sxties)

Caravan

Jethro Tull

Genesis

King Crimson

Moody Blues

Pink Floyd

Renaissance?

Soft Machine?

Van Der Graaaf Generator

Yes

A difficult task...

Late sixties and beginnig of the seventies :           ;           ;           ;           ;           ;       I would say it all began with psychedelic music, i. e. essentially Jimi Hendrix and earlier Pink Floyd (all their stuff with Syd Barrett). [Some people say that the Beatles also had a contribution to the prog movement]. Then came bands such as King Crimson and Yes at the end of the sixties. King Crimson, along with Van der Graaf Generator helped define a sub-genre of the progressive music called hard-prog ('hard' refering to the tormented atmosphere of their records, however 'In the court of the crimson King' is symphonical prog). Yes were playing symphonical rock, so called because of the use of a symphonic orchestra. Genesis were already recording at the end of the sixties but their  links to the progressive rock were not yet defined. With the album 'Trespass', things became clear about Genesis. Yes and Genesis remain icons in the symphonical rock music. Other bands followed their steps later : Gentle Giant, Camel among others. At the same time as symphonical rock was developing in Great Britain, many italian bands were performing a similar type of music : Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Premiata Forneria Marconi, Le Orme, Quella Vecchia Locanda among others. These two countries were the most prolific as far as progressive rock is concerned. Let's go back to England to focus on another subgenre that comes from the Canterbury county. Caravan defined that subgenre with their second album and bands like Hatfield and the North and later National Health followed (plus a band that didn't come from England but from the USA, Happy The Man). The first Gong album (Camembert Electrique, featuring Pip Pyle on drums who later joined Hatfield and National Health) belongs also to this subgenre. Daevid Allen (who later founded Gong) formed with Robert Wyatt Soft Machine, a band that could be regarded as belonging to the Canterbury scene for their first three releases, but that turned to jazz-fusion (with 'third'), another subgenre that included also later Bruford and Brand X, and in the USA Frank Zappa. So, at the beginning of the seventies, 3 subgenres are already established : symphonical (Yes, Genesis), canterbury (Caravan, earlier Gong), hard-prog (King Crimson, VDGG).

The seventies :           ;           ;           ;           ;           ;                                         After Syd Barrett left Pink Floyd, their music became softer with ethereal passages : they defined a new subgenre, space-rock. Gong were also following the same way with 'Angel's egg' (but with humour), their best record to date. After the Yardbirds split, Keith Relf formed with his wife Jane the band Renaissance, a group that blended folk music with progressive rock. Along with Jethro Tull, Renaissance were qualified as a folk-prog band. The popularity of Renaissance grew after Annie Haslam replaced Jane Relf on vocals and they released the great 'Scheherazade and other stories' in 1975. Jethro Tull released 'Aqualung' in 1971, an album that is considered as a classic today, but I would recommend the follow-up 'Thick as a brick' as an introduction to their contribution to the folk-prog scene. Another subgenre of the progressive rock was also developing in the seventies : art-rock, led by bands such as Supertramp, Roxy Music, 10 CC... These groups were playing a simpler music than in the other prog subgenres. In Germany, a group called Tangerine Dream was playing a music based exclusively on electronic instruments, hence their music was called 'Electronic' (or 'New Age'), although it may include many not electonic instruments (as is the case for Mike Oldfield ). Vangelis and Synergy belong also to this subgenre. Many of the german bands that appeared at the beginning of the seventies were classified as 'Krautrock', an additional subgenre of the progressive rock, including Grobschnitt, Amon Düül, Ash Ra Tempel. A minimalistic form of the 'electronic' music appeared also in the seventies : ambient. Kraftwerk, Brian Eno, Cluster belong to this category. Moreover, in England a subgenre based on improvisation and with a jazz background appeared in 1973 with the release of Henry Cow's 'Leg End' (RIO, rock in opposition). This subgenre is recommended only to fans of free-jazz or those who like exploration. I forgot to mention that Emerson, Lake and Palmer, a band that gathered members of King Crimson, Atomic Rooster and The Nice released albums ('Tarkus' being regarded as their best) belonging to a subgenre called classical-prog, as they often feature a song that is an adaptation of a piece of classical music (Pictures at an exhibition for example). The Nice and Rick Wakeman belong also to this subgenre. In the USA, some groups tried to mix hard-rock with progressive elements, such bands are Rush, Styx among others (Kansas could also be added to this category but it is also close to the english symphonic prog scene). They were called pomp-prog as the intros and outros of some of their songs are 'pompous'. I mentioned previously the development of a jazz-fusion scene with Brand X (featuring Phil Collins), Bruford, and Zappa, the music of this latter could be considered as a unique subgenre (mix of jazz, doo-wap, rock...). Another band was also strongly rooted in jazz but included also influences ranging from Stockhausen  to Duke Ellington, via opera : Magma, who created the Zeuhl subgenre, with a language intelligible only by them (kobaïa). So, at the end of the seventies you have 10 new subgenres in the progressive rock : art-rock, folk-prog, classical-prog, RIO, jazz-fusion, Zeuhl, ambient, electronic, krautrock, pomp-prog.

The eighties : The progressive rock was supplanted by the punk movement at the end of the seventies, a 'music' which aim was to prove that everyone could play music. Punk gave rise to the cold wave  in the eighties and prog rock was reduced to what was called neo-prog (a simpler form of the symphonic prog but with much present drums), and an embryon of what became at the beginning of the nineties the metal-prog. Saga were probably the first to play this neo-prog, but Marillion and IQ are the best representatives of this subgenre. Landmark albums include 'Misplaced childhood' by Marillion and 'Ever' by IQ.

The nineties : metal-prog developed with Dream Theater's 'Images and words'. However, in the eighties some groups were already playing a heavy-metal-based progressive music : Queensryche, Fates Warning, Watchtower. Thanks to Mike Varney in the USA, who founded the prog label Magna Carta, and in Europe the Inside Out label, the nineties saw a revival of the prog-rock (mainly metal-prog). In the USA, apart from metal-prog, Spock's Beard were playing a symphonical prog with references to Gentle Giant and Genesis and Echolyn and Izz were playing a music closer to neo-prog. In the Northern Europe, a scandinavian symphonic prog scene developed with bands such as The Flower Kings, Anglagard and Sinkadus. A post-RIO scene also developed with Djam Karet, Thinking Plague... Some groups play jazz-fusion : Kenso, Cartoone, Deus ex Machina. Porcupine Tree and Ozric Tentacles play space-rock. Collage, Clepsydra are great bands that are strongly influenced by IQ and Marillion. Thus, in the nineties you have a revival of the prog scene not only with the appearance of a new subgenre : metal-prog but also with bands playing the styles developed in the seventies.

I hope these informations will help you in your investigation.

You can add :

Zappa (sixties, seventies, eighties, (nineties ?))

Bruford (seventies)

Tangerine Dream (seventies, eighties, nineties)

Greenslade (seventies)

Utopia (seventies)

Happy The Man (seventies)

Kansas (seventies, eighties...)

Supertramp (seventies)

Roxy music (seventies, eighties)

Egg (seventies)

Hatfiels and the North (seventies)

National Health (seventies)

Synergy (seventies, eighties)

UK (seventies)

Dixie Dregs (seventies, eighties, nineties)

Henry Cow (seventies)

Le Orme (sixties, seventies)

Locanda delle fate (seventies)

Gryphon (seventies)

Vibrationbaby wrote: Whoa Lucas! Ithink you just wrote the guy's school assignment for him!

Yeah, pretty much.

To Lucas:

- First of all: THANK YOU!  for taking the time to help me (and how!)

- I think there still are some discutable points (10cc and Roxy Music are not considered prog by everybody)

- You named some sub-genres that I won't use. I had already decided that I would use the sub-genres as mentioned on the progarchives homepage.

- There's already a whole chapter in my paper about Zappa and Beefheart (I think they were the 'pioneers')

- Also THANKS for the bandnames I forgot. I heard UK deservers a special place! And Bruford's a legend...

- My problem was that I didn't grow up in the seventies and I'm not familiar with all progressive rock sub-genres. You really helped me out here!

THANKS

A

LOT

!!

By the way: Do you think I mentioned any bands that don't deserve it?

Joren/Lucas:

First, I am one who does believe that 10CC is "prog," to be placed in the same category as Supertramp.  (After all, they were heavily influenced by one another, so if Supertramp deserves a spot, so does 10CC).

There are at least two other bands - one "accepted," one not - that I would add to the list.  Although something of a latecomer to the prog scene, The Church began recording in the early 80s, and is now considered by many to be a leader in the prog movement (just look at the reviews of their most recent album!).

Also, XTC deserves a place here, also in the same general category as Supertramp and 10CC.

Note to Lucas: Did you study the genre specifically?  Because at 24, you sound like one of us "older" folks who actually lived through the entire prog era, right from the beginning.

Peace.

Joren:

BTW, you might want to check out the following three "threads" for additional discussions on prog:

"Is classic prog timeless?"

"Fly Like An Eagle..."

"What defines prog music?"

All three have interesting, informative discussions on progressive music.

Peace.

- About XTC and 10cc: Thanks for the suggestions, but I'm looking for highly influential bands like GG and Yes. I think I didn't forget any major acts...

- About "What defines prog?": I checked that topic and I think it's very interesting. I like to use the defenition given on the progarchives homepage:

PROGRESSIVE ROCK — a style that combines rock, classical, psychedelic (And I think 'jazz' should be added here) and literary elements — was born in the late '60s with art-rock bands like Pink Floyd and King Crimson, whose albums typically featured 7 to 10 minutes songs with shifting time signatures and evolving musical themes.

 Lucas: Good, thoughtful essay outline! Lots of work -- well done!

 One minor correction: RUSH are from Canada, not America. Sometimes, outside North America, there's a tendency to equate North America (Canada, United States & Mexico) with America (the U.S. only). That's like saying that Austria is a part of Germany, that Great Britain is the same as England, that New Zealand is the same as Australia, or that France belongs to Spain! Canada has roughly 1/10th of the population of the U.S., so has proportionally fewer internationally-successful bands -- especially prog bands! Thus, we tend to be proud of the ones we have, and Rush is one of OURS!

I also wouldn't call the music of Kraftwerk "ambient." It's much too structured and dynamic and lively to fit in with (early) Tangerine Dream and Eno's "shapeless," flowing ambient recordings. I have trouble with the whole sub-genre of "Krautrock," for that matter. It seems to imply a sameness, or a lack of diversity in German rock, which is just not the reality. I also think that the term "Kraut" is likely insulting to many Germans, coming as it does from WW1 & WW2 Allied soldiers' nickname for the Germans, who were supposed to eat a lot of saurkraut, which is "sour" (or pickled) cabbage. Thus, "Kraut" seems to mean "cabbage." How would the rest of us like our music to be labelled "Limeyrock," "Japrock" ("Ricerock?"), "Canuckrock," "Spicrock," "Yankrock," "Pastarock," or "Frogrock?" Food for thought....

PS to Joren: Good luck with the essay!

Peter Rideout wrote:  Lucas: Good, thoughtful essay outline! Lots of work -- well done!  One minor correction: RUSH are from Canada, not America. Sometimes, outside North America, there's a tendency to equate North America (Canada, United States & Mexico) with America (the U.S. only). That's like saying that Austria is a part of Germany, that Great Britain is the same as England, that New Zealand is the same as Australia, or that France belongs to Spain! Canada has roughly 1/10th of the population of the U.S., so has proportionally fewer internationally-successful bands -- especially prog bands! Thus, we tend to be proud of the ones we have, and Rush is one of OURS! I also wouldn't call the music of Kraftwerk "ambient." It's much too structured and dynamic and lively to fit in with (early) Tangerine Dream and Eno's "shapeless," flowing ambient recordings. I have trouble with the whole sub-genre of "Krautrock," for that matter. It seems to imply a sameness, or a lack of diversity in German rock, which is just not the reality. I also think that the term "Kraut" is likely insulting to many Germans, coming as it does from WW1 & WW2 Allied soldiers' nickname for the Germans, who were supposed to eat a lot of saurkraut, which is "sour" (or pickled) cabbage. Thus, "Kraut" seems to mean "cabbage." How would the rest of us like our music to be labelled "Limeyrock," "Japrock" ("Ricerock?"), "Canuckrock," "Spicrock," "Yankrock," "Pastarock," or "Frogrock?" Food for thought.... PS to Joren: Good luck with the essay!

Kraftwerk: I don't think it's ambient either.

Krautrock: The problem is, everybody is familiar with that name now... and 'ricerock' sounds pretty cool!

semismart wrote: Hey, I didn't see Argent, Uriah Heep, Blood sweat and Tears, Iron Butterfly, Rare Earth, Cream, or The Chambers Brothers mentioned.

I'm trying to talk only about PURE prog rock. Iron Butterfly had their great song, but they're not considered real prog, as far as I know... And have you seen my list? I've got enough to do!

sometimes when i read this forum i wonder : OH my GOD was there any other group that didn't prog through 70s and 80's ?

Come to think about it... I don't know who invented those genres but don't you think they are too much? Folk prog , Symphonic Prog , Rock prog , Metal prog, Pomp prog, Space prog and the list goes on ? My question is that : Which group (of the known) didn't prog? Were all those group that we mention indeed progged or we just say it just to show how important and talented artists does prog has?

Sometimes i have the feeling that Progressive is a subgenre of Rock music that has a lot of subgenres, Rock included!!! if you know what i mean..

Any help ?

Hey! Focus is not just 'Classical Rock'

Focus made some of the best progrock there is!!!

For me there are 4 big categories

1. Progressive Metal : Distinctive from it's heavier music and often from it's year of foundation as we come closer to "now" bands tend to adapt a heavier style. examples : Dream Theater , Psychotic Waltz, Fates Warning , Pain of Salvation , Evergrey etc..

2. Progressive Rock : Close to Prog Metal but with more "gentle" music. examples : Pink Floyd, Rush, Van der Graaf generator etc

3. Classical/Symphonic Rock : Distinctive from the regylar use of classic instruments such as flutes, violins and its tone of music which tends to be softer than progressive rock. examples : Jethro Tull , Genesis , The Moody Blues, Focus

4. Jazz/Rock groups : Close to Progressive Rock but with serious Jazz Influence. Usually they don't have a lot of lyrics. Example : Mahavishnu Orchestra

To me it seems like a good dinstiction. I'm aware that Rush and Floyd are not the same but so are The Dark Side of the Moon and Wall. Even 2 albums from the same band can have differences (and it's welcomed).

Well, of course Led Zep/Deep Purple and The Sabs did that, but I think Focus had a lot of influence with Hocus Pocus!

Was he in Brainbox before or after Focus?

maybe I'd better ask first: Do you know Brainbox? I mean, they're pretty well-known in Holland, but I must not forget, they're a Dutch band!

Well, to be honest, I don't know much about guitars, and I just liked the great songs Brainbox recorded...

When I look at all the CD's you just summed up, you seem to be a bit of a... freak?  Well, don't mind, I've been a very enthousiastic collector of heavy metal for years, in my ...er... let's call it childhood

How many records do you have? And weren't you the one on the forum who almost only listened to LP's? Very understandably, if you have such a great collection of vinyl and then some asshole comes up with the idea of a CD!

Well, I wasn't THAT fanatic. I just thought it was nice to have some weird records.

I think I have about 400 CD's (and 30 LP's or so, just for collecting, almost all of them are albums I also have on CD, I hardly ever play them). And I think half of it is downloaded . I don't have all the money in the world, you know. But now, my goal is to buy all real great CD's (including Frank Zappa), and not download them.

But your collection is awesome. 2000 jazz and prog records!

You know the book 1000 Record Covers? It's from a man who also had thousands of records, and he made a selection of the greatest covers. I love that book! What was his name again... Schultz? It was a book from 'Taschen'.

2,000? Good Gracious Man, when do you get laid?

 I've got about 500-700 and my old lady thinks I'm obsessed.

I got about 33 or so Allan Holdsworth related discs, all the Rush, Floyd, Beatles, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

2,000? Holy Sheep, Batman.

So, Vibration you must own this stuff:

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What's going on? That asshole is posting that throughout the entire forum!! Can't anybody do something about that?! I already sent him a private message, but he didn't answer!

Joren wrote: semismart wrote: Hey, I didn't see Argent, Uriah Heep, Blood sweat and Tears, Iron Butterfly, Rare Earth, Cream, or The Chambers Brothers mentioned. I'm trying to talk only about PURE prog rock. Iron Butterfly had their great song, but they're not considered real prog, as far as I know... And have you seen my list? I've got enough to do!

Hey no problem. You asked, I answered. You did look a little light in 60s though!

semismart wrote: Joren wrote: semismart wrote: Hey, I didn't see Argent, Uriah Heep, Blood sweat and Tears, Iron Butterfly, Rare Earth, Cream, or The Chambers Brothers mentioned. I'm trying to talk only about PURE prog rock. Iron Butterfly had their great song, but they're not considered real prog, as far as I know... And have you seen my list? I've got enough to do! Hey no problem. You asked, I answered. You did look a little light in 60s though!

I think you're right by mentioning those bands (I love Iron Butterfly and Uriah Heep), but I can't put all of that in my paper (I could fill 20 pages with Yes, Genesis, ELP, VdGG and Gentle Giant only ). Thanks for your help!

Andyliftuk wrote: You forgot to mention 'It Bites'!!!....they were defintely an insperation to a lot of prog bands that formed torwards the late eighties/ early nineties.......including Dream Theater. (Jon Petrucci once said that Frank Dunnerey was a very underated guitarist and 'It Bites!' were certainly an underated great Prog band of the eighties).....'It Bites!' most certainly influenced one of my old bands 'Summer Indoors'!!

Thanks! I'll consider including them as well!

Vibrationbaby:

I empathize: between CDs, LPs and cassettes (both rock and jazz), I also have about 1,700-2,000 albums, acquired over some 35 years or so.  I was able to amass these because the only three things I spent my money on from 1970 to 1982 (or thereabouts) were albums, concert tix and drugs!   (OK, maybe I bought some food sometimes...)  My collection actually scares me sometimes: so many choices that I often find myself absolutely paralyzed when I want to listen to something!  

Peace.

Sometimes I just close my eyes and grab one, refusing to look at it until I get in my truck.

I have a very "Anal" brother who listens to his stuff A-Z. Really, he starts from one end of his collection and works through to the opposite end. He'd get p.o.'ed if you distrubed his "ROTATION." Scary...

Danbo I understand your brothers anal attitude in part because if you have over 100 CDs (I have about 300 CDs.)you sometimes fall in the same patern and listen to certain CDs too often, sometimes forgeting about other CDs, that once you actually listen, say to yourself: Oh yeah that was pretty good why did I not listen to that sooner ; hence the alphabetized system where you systematically listen to all in rotation so as not to neglect any forgotten "pearls". but messing up the rotation a bit is obviously ok and recommended in moderation to suit your mood.I wish I could follow my own advice but I always go by my mood.

Joren wrote: Hey! Focus is not just 'Classical Rock' Focus made some of the best progrock there is!!!

You say that because they come from your country ! But nonetheless you're right

Aztech wrote:   Danbo I understand your brothers anal attitude in part because if you have over 100 CDs (I have about 300 CDs.)you sometimes fall in the same patern and listen to certain CDs too often, sometimes forgeting about other CDs, that once you actually listen, say to yourself: Oh yeah that was pretty good why did I not listen to that sooner ; hence the alphabetized system where you systematically listen to all in rotation so as not to neglect any forgotten "pearls". but messing up the rotation a bit is obviously ok and recommended in moderation to suit your mood.I wish I could follow my own advice but I always go by my mood.

I've got over 500, maybe 700? who knows or has the patience to count. I'm a mood guy. Sometimes I'll just listen to Blues for weeks on end, then it's jazz or alternative. Very little country music does NOT make me ppuke and I have no tolerance for rap. Probably my upbringing, I don't know.

Rap sucks! Although I must admit I think license to thrill from the beastie boys is pretty cool!

You've gotta fight!

for your right!

to paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarty!

maybe I'd better shut up now. Ohw, the ambarassment!