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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2008 at 23:01
asking last.fm to gimme similar artists to Keiji Haino eventually made it spit out tracks by Derek Bailey and Albert Ayler; both were significantly more neato than I had suspected they'd be. =)

but I'm still a noob at zis.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 02:54
any Alice Coltrane fans? I love the albums Universal Consciousness and Journey in Satchidananda, not so much harsh but great freewheeling cosmic soul, so good! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 03:46
 
Journey In Satchidananda is superb but I'm looking for the most brutal, out-there free-jazz imaginable. Who holds the keys?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 09:03
Originally posted by Yukorin Yukorin wrote:

 
Journey In Satchidananda is superb but I'm looking for the most brutal, out-there free-jazz imaginable. Who holds the keys?


I'd say Borbetomagus, BUT the new Brotzmann army, I mean tentet, can probably deliver more destruction through sheer numbers.

Also:

http://www.bagatellen.com/archives/reviews/001876.html



and (stretching the definition of free jazz a bit):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrtnqCNNW4w


Anyone here familiar with the Brotzmann/Fred Hopkins/Rashied Ali album?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 10:30
 
I've got 2 Borbetomagus cds and they are both right up my street. And when I said 'who holds the keys' I meant 'which member on here knows his sh*t'? Looks like I found him! Oh, and your site is farking awesome
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 10:45
Heh, it's not my site, just a site I love.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 10:51
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Miles never got entirely sucked into that free jazz abyss....Miles was really into form, space, texture.....I know there are some moments from the overly ripe period of his post-quintet period, albums like Agatha and Pangea or on some looser jams around the time of On the Corner, but I feel that was more he and the band spreading out a "scorched Earth" atmosphere, that Miles was intending to communicate through chaos a message of where he felt society/music/politics was heading....it really is heavy stuff, as tough to listen to at times as the Ayler, late Coltrane, Coleman records of the sixties.
 
I can handle those Japanese double albums from Miles, but pure free jazz still has too much of the "yank on the elephant's tail" sound....all formless screech that DOES at times communicate the aching soul of the artists, but it's just too much.....like watching the Sorrow and the Pity over and over....just too much pain and nothing to groove on....all work and no play.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 12:47
I like the wide variety you get with Sun Ra albums. Some of it is "free jazz" and some of it isn't.

Anyway, a friend of mine who was asked to play a "free jazz" gig for free at a local farmer's market came up with the term "cheap jazz".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 13:01
have you heard Cecil Taylor/Max Roach - Historic Concerts? thats pretty barbaric stuff,

also Pat Metheny/Derek Baily/George Bendian/Paul Wertiico - The Sign of 4, 3xCD set, is really good,

I have some Steve Lacy and Even Parker LPs in my shelves, I'll have listen to those again, its been a while
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 13:18
 
Steve Lacy and Ewan Parker I've heard bits and pieces. Will check the rest of your reccomendations. Cheers all!
 
By the way Japan (well Tokyo, not sure about the rest of the place) have this policy outside major train stations where you can get to see some amazingly hot free-jazz/fusion/hard-bop amateurs/enthusiasts. No hawking of cds or anything, just playing out of sheer love. Unbeatable. (soccer players take note)
 
There was a bassist who would play well-known classical themes by playing the bass as if it was a piano using all his fingers tapping away. I miss him, actually
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 12:25
Evan Parker's great, he played with The Spontaneous Music Ensemble if memory serves...

Just got hold of some Masayuki Takayanagi New DIrection Unit, there's some great guitar-based noise there. Still looking for April Is the Cruellest Month, I heard it's one of Takayanagi's best.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 13:00
Evan Parker was also part of that Music Improvisation Company with Derek Bailey, Jamie Muir, and Huge Davies, I have that CD 1968-1971- it not so caustic but more subdued, shuffling, scratching, random pieces like AMM, 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 16:35
Conference of Birds, anyone?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2008 at 14:09
Originally posted by electricsilence electricsilence wrote:

Conference of Birds, anyone?
 
indeed! Thumbs%20Up thats a holy grail of Free Jazz if I ever heard one,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2008 at 15:36
Actually this music destroys my brain (in the best possible way) for the last 5 years. My 10 favorites records at this time are:

1) Spiritual Unity by Albert Ayler (for me, Ayler is THE icon of free jazz. He is the best free jazz saxophonist ever lived and noone will ever achieve what he achieved. His ability to express feelings and emotions in that direct complex way, easily,  is beyond comprehension.)
1) Albert Ayler in Greenwich Village by Albert Ayler
1) At Slug's Saloon, Vol. 1 by Albert Ayler
2) The Shape of Jazz to Come by Ornette Coleman
3) Little Birds Have Fast Hearts, No. 1 by Die Like a Dog Quartet (Brotzmann' Project - You can clearly see his admiration to Ayler in this record)
4) The Black Ark by Noah Howard (The most underrated free jazz musician of all times. Period)
5) For Alto by  Anthony Braxton
6) Matanohi no yumemonogatari by Kaoru Abe (absolutely stunning musician from Japan, in the vein of Braxton - Yukorin, track him down)
7) Pakistani Pomade by Alexander von Schlippenbach Trio
8) Repent by Charles Gayle (Really interesting story behind this incredibly skilled saxophonist. This album is probably the most spiritual record after Ayler's Spiritual Unity)
9) Koln by Last Exit (Brotzmann's project once more. Master Sharrock shines once again)
10) Unit Structures by Cecil Taylor


electricsilence, great suggestion. Conference of the Birds is undoubtedly, the best work of Dave Holland. It really is an inspiring record full of joy and color.


The only popular one I cannot appreciate much, is Coltrane in this matter (I love  some of his 'conventional jazz' works). His free jazz records are just spineless, out of place and dizzy. But that just me, and I'm only judging his Ascension period.

Also, as mentioned, Sonny Sharrok has some shining gems in his discography. He was remarkable and innovative guitarist.


Yukorin, dive in!


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Cheers oracus! I love you
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2008 at 11:52
I just realized noone mentioned Brotmann's Machine Gun, since Yukorin requested the hard stuff!  I can't say I fond this (I much prefer his debut and 14 Love Poems) but I surely can say that it is one of the most dificult pieces of free jazz I 've ever encounter. If you want to bleed your ears and vanish every melody detector in your brain, check it out.

P.S. I wrote your name wrong in the previous post, because I have in mind a Japanese friend of mine with the name Yukari. Is Yukari the female version of Yukorin?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2008 at 14:38
wow, I thought Ascension was mind blowing, but Im probably not as learned about Free Jazz as some of you folks though, I have a pretty healthy stack in my collection but I've probably just scratched the surface, I'll definitely check out some of those albums I haven't already heard that you listed in your top 10!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2008 at 19:45
Mithrandir, you seem to be a black metal fanatic; how come and you are interested in jazz and especially free jazz (that's a great thing!)?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2008 at 20:24
well, Im a fan of great music what can I say!?  my roots are indeed in Black, Death, Doom, Thrash Metal and Hardcore Punk, Grindcore etc, but of course since I was about 18 I've branched out and discovered so much other great music since then, (Im 34 now), I still have loyalty and love for my roots all the while adopting many new bands into my family of favorites along the way, Wink
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