Phil Collins ... A Prog Legend

musicbandit wrote: I think Phil Collins made some great albums and songs in the 80s and is very wrongly criticised. Take just for example, Thunder and Lightning, I Missed Again, I don't Care Anymore, Thru these Walls, these are all genuine classics. I urge anyone who hasn't heard Phil Collin's first two albums to really listen to them before they even CONTEMPLATE criticising this man! He is a fantastic singer and a great drummer so let's all start appreciating him for what he's really worth - priceless!

TheRocinanteKid wrote: Wow, I was just gonna start a new thread regarding Phil Collins and then suddenly I see this, figured I might as well ask my question here as start a new topic.   So... is the album Face Value worth picking up? I do dig most of what Genesis has put out over the years and enjoy Peter's solo career but have never bothered with Phil for obvious reasons. I heard Face Value at least has some Prog-cred is this true? Any information/opinions on this album much appreciated.

He is a fantastic drummer, but Genesis was no good after W&W and TOTT.  I mean ABACAB was an ok pop album, but thats it.  That other stuff was just boring as hell.  

Hello Jammun. What's so different about Face Value and his second album? Hello I must Be Going had only 1 or 2 hits on it and the rest are unknowns - and it's an album possibly just as good as Face Value. In fact, Hello... has some seriously excellent drumming! With all this talk about Collins as a drummer I think EVERYONE should listen to Hello I Must be Going. I don't really agree with you about the hits. Remember that he wrote the music himself.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Shouldn't this thread be moved to GENERAL MUSIC?   Phil Collins is not in our database.   Iván

I have respect for him,though it took me a while.I like early genesis,brand x and the robert plant stuff he drummed on,i just pretend eighties genesis didnt exist lol

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If you are expecting prog, you'll regret this.   Phil's solo career is like Invisible Touch with the prog parts taken out.

Edited by ghost_of_morphy - May 04 2008 at 23:19

I feel it's unfair to bash just Collins, all members of Genesis were to blame for the lame pop rubbish produced in the later period.

If I didn't know better, I'd think the thread's title was chosen to create , ahem, a discussion of Phil's musical talent.
Now all we need is to bring in the Peter part of what was once hoped to be a done to death debate about who was to blame for Genesis putting out music that some here didn't like.
Get over it. You figure Phil isn't a prog guy on his own, fine. You think his era Genesis does not bear comparison to Peter's, fine. But for God's sake, don't take it personally. None of you know what music Genesis would have gone on to make if Jonathan Silver, John Mayhew , Anthony Philips, Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins had not left the group at their respective times (keep in mind the final Genesis studio album with Ray Wilson).
And so the pop direction that gradually took over the group's sound cannot be said, with any certainty, to be due to Phil's emergence as supposed group leader. For all you know (and not what you think you know), they would have followed the same path.
Play your old records, enjoy them as you will, leave the later ones for those of us who find them entertaining for what they are, and pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee
get on with your bloody lives.
No animals were hurt during the making of any of Phil's music, though I suspect that some humanoid bipeds suffered from the delusional treason of a group playing music that a fan did not like or agree with.
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Let's ask malnourished Ethiopian the question, and its' relative importance in the scheme of things. But first, let's make sure there is nothing around that can be used as a weapon, eh ....