lack of metal knowledge in some reviews

Good grief!  This thread took a left turn at stupidtown!  

Seriously, PA is where I come to get a good bit of my recommendations for metal.  I'd much rather read about metal from a progressive fan's perspective than from a metalhead's perspective.  That way, I'm more likely to find stuff that I'm into.  There are a good number of folks on this board who are very knowledgeable, and willing to point the way.... but there are also a few folks who detest anything remotely related to metal.  you just have to know who to trust.

laplace wrote: Ye gods, enough with the image macros. Apart from the cheetah. <3

no more images from me lappy

avalanchemaster wrote: stonebeard wrote: CCVP wrote: to who was that "STFU N00B!!!!"???? Everyone who is not me. great.  big help with your big pushy arrogance... your post has not helped further the discussion in any shape or form and is, in fact a hindrance in threads like this...(except for acknowledging that everyone views "prog" differently, which I had stated earlier in the thread by way of subjectivity......)

I will take my silliness to elsewhere!

Rocktopus wrote: avalanchemaster wrote: well since you did not follow the whole thread, let me REPEAT MYSELF: I think it is downright hilarious when a "noob" posts somewhere and the "old guard" (as it were) gets their panties in a bunch and jumps to logically erroneous conclusions, fumbling over themselves to PROOVE something to the noob...... Guess you're pretty proud of that comment then, eh? To me you're the aggressive, insulting guy trying to proove something.

that is the beauty of that quote......

(either that or you ARE one of the "old guard" who got their panties in a bunch)

Note to self - in response to the initial precept of this thread, I hereby request that no one allow themselves to review an album until they have acquired a master's level of knowledge for the genre that the  band you intend to review. Thus, although I love Dun, I will not post any reviews of Zeuhl groups. And despite my intense appreciation of Univers Zero, I will refrain from commenting on RIO/Avant-Garde groups. As my classical music training is very limited, no longer will I give opinions on Symphonic groups. The RPI scene is  also off limits as I am not quite sure I understand the social, cultural & political conditions that bore such wonderful music. And being that as a 45 yr old fart, my metal daze are at least 2 decades old, I will not dare impugn prog metal with an ignorant overview.
I shall thus contain myself to raving about Ange, Klaatu, Split Enz, and Rush; as I know much about them, and thus , can be trusted to give the honest to goodness truth about how great they really are.

so to end this (dis)missive, here goes - if someone wants to review any album after one measly listen or ten, I DON'T CARE ! If somebody wants to review any album from a genre that they have yet to hear before or care for, I DON'T CARE ! If some soul has it in them to think they have something to say about any genre,band, or instrument that is included in PA, as long as they offer it as subjective opinion, I DON'T CARE !
Why, because as is clearly not stated upon the registration necessary to start posting at PA, no one is requires to be a recognized "expert" in order to be allowed to toss in their two cents worth. Why ? Because this is a fan site, a fun site, and sometimes a funny site.

avalanchemaster wrote: well since you did not follow the whole thread, let me REPEAT MYSELF: I think it is downright hilarious when a "noob" posts somewhere and the "old guard" (as it were) gets their panties in a bunch and jumps to logically erroneous conclusions, fumbling over themselves to PROOVE something to the noob......

Guess you're pretty proud of that comment then, eh? To me you're the aggressive, insulting guy trying to proove something.

stonebeard wrote: CCVP wrote: to who was that "STFU N00B!!!!"???? Everyone who is not me.

great.  big help with your big pushy arrogance...

your post has not helped further the discussion in any shape or form and is, in fact a hindrance in threads like this...(except for acknowledging that everyone views "prog" differently, which I had stated earlier in the thread by way of subjectivity......)


Edited by avalanchemaster - May 04 2008 at 19:29

CCVP wrote: to who was that "STFU N00B!!!!"????

Everyone who is not me.

stonebeard wrote: By the way, we all define prog differently so no one will agree with everything that goes on here. In the meantime... A picture is worth a thousand words, or maybe two or three mangled word fragments.  ^___^

well since you did not follow the whole thread, let me REPEAT MYSELF:

I think it is downright hilarious when a "noob" posts somewhere and the "old guard" (as it were) gets their panties in a bunch and jumps to logically erroneous conclusions, fumbling over themselves to PROOVE something to the noob......





Edited by avalanchemaster - May 04 2008 at 19:15

Going back to the original point, I'm not sure an extensive knowledge of a genre is even needed - either you think it's good, or you don't. I'm not sure that it matters much how many other people have similar approaches, although it is true you need to train your ear to certain things...as a Black Metal musician once said, "Our music is like opera". However, if you listen carefully to something and attempt to understand it, I think you can make a fair judgement without knowledge of similar music.