the pope turns "green". what do you think?

Salvo_ wrote: See, T, this is what I'm talking about. I do not make any broad statements like this, but here he is implying that I am ignorant/stupid/blind because I dare to believe in God, with helpful Floyd lyrics. Now stop it, you're being a jerk.   And for those who don't know their internet slang, win and ftl

Edited by The T - April 04 2008 at 16:51

I didn't expect this kind of Spanish Inquisition.



Oh, and by the way, the site I borrowed this image from has a page if you'd like to confess:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/paulfitz/spanish/conform.html


Edited by Slartibartfast - April 05 2008 at 03:30

Salvo, there's a misunderstanding between you and T, he's allowed to be an atheist as we are allowed to be Catholics, he's not a jerk, so please stop this attitude.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Salvo, there's a misunderstanding between you and T, he's allowed to be an atheist as we are allowed to be Catholics, he's not a jerk, so please stop this attitude. T didn't attacked your faith or mine, he simply didn't perceived the attacks that happened here, so lets go back to the issue and ignore the attacks, we will always receive tthem, just state your point with arguments.   Iván

I'm sorry that that happens, but some evil people doesn't invalidate anything. Need I remind you that the most ruthless dictators of the 20th century were athiest? (Not Godwinning the thread because Hitler's atheism is questionable)

Salvo_ wrote: I'm sorry that that happens, but some evil people doesn't invalidate anything. Need I remind you that the most ruthless dictators of the 20th century were athiest? (Not Godwinning the thread because Hitler's atheism is questionable)

StyLaZyn wrote: Likewise, some evil atheists don't invalidate any positive change atheists bring. BTW...unless I'm mistaken, Hitler and the Catholic Church were quite cozy together. I first heard this when a co-worker, who is a Seventh Day Adventist and looking for new joins, told me that Hilter met regularly with cardinals and other high level Catholics, including Pope Pius XII. I was told Roman Catholism was to be the official religion of the New Reich. This doesn't mean I believe it but there are some incriminating photos out there. Here's the kicker. At the time, I was a regular communion taking church goer abiding by the Law. I couldn't believe what he was telling me and denied it blue. Odd how things change.

Edited by Salvo_ - April 07 2008 at 20:57

If I may just throw a comment here, the thing is that in dictatorships like Hitler's or Stalin's, the actual "party" and the "system" become a religion. Nazism in itself was also a cult and a sort of religion so it was never going to embrace catholicism. if you analyze dritten reich events and everything around it, it's a cult: processions, parades, banners, flames, signs, big swastika crosses and always the face of the redeemer omnipresent. very much the same with the USSR when it was less personal and more partisan, where the religion was created around the communist signs (hammer and hickle), around the apostles (marx, engels, lenin), and with mighty parades that only served to show the people the new god: the state. Other dictatorships that were more leaning to the right side like Pinochet's tried to get closer to the catholic church with mixed results. So, some religion is always present. Just not the one you think. if some catholics were with hitler, many weren't. If some atheists were with Stalin, many weren't. That the leader himself is one or the other doesn't matter: in the end his persona will assume the role of God, so big ego is on this problems. In china Mao created a "bible" (the red book), so in the end these dictatorships always try to capture the essence of cults and belief systems and convert them to their needs. it's not exclusive of catholics or atheists. Actually, both catholicism and atheism are thrown aside to the gutter once the new Cult is powerful enough to dominate, like with Mussolinni.  Don't blame either one. Blame the PEOPLE. blame Hitler, not Germany. Blame an specific priest or bishop, not the whole thing. Blame the person, not his disbelief. Actually, the only true atheist revolution in history (where all type of cultism was eliminated) which was the cambodian one was.. well.... in the end it degenerated into another cult, a cult to "Angka". So, it's not that atheists make it much better. The lack of a hypothetical powerful God above people makes them believe, sometimes, when they have all the power, that they're actually Gods.

Slartibartfast wrote: Up next, the pope turns a whiter shade of pale, what do you think?

StyLaZyn wrote:   Thank you for your submission. You misspelled a word and I read it "Cathaholic."

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 08 2008 at 12:10