the pope turns "green". what do you think?
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Topic: the pope turns "green". what do you think?
Posted By: BaldJean
Subject: the pope turns "green". what do you think?
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 11:03
Vatican lists "new sins," including pollutionBy Philip Pullella Posted Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:00am PDT 
A faithful holds the cross during a mass at a Catholic church on the outskirts of Changzhi, Shanxi province December 23, 2007. The Vatican has told the faithful that they should be aware of 'new' sins such as causing environmental blight. (Stringer/Reuters) VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Thou shall not pollute the Earth. Thou shall beware genetic manipulation. Modern times bring with them modern sins. So the Vatican has told the faithful that they should be aware of "new" sins such as causing environmental blight. The guidance came at the weekend when Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti, the Vatican's number two man in the sometimes murky area of sins and penance, spoke of modern evils. Asked what he believed were today's "new sins," he told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano that the greatest danger zone for the modern soul was the largely uncharted world of bioethics. "(Within bioethics) there are areas where we absolutely must denounce some violations of the fundamental rights of human nature through experiments and genetic manipulation whose outcome is difficult to predict and control," he said. The Vatican opposes stem cell research that involves destruction of embryos and has warned against the prospect of human cloning. Girotti, in an interview headlined "New Forms of Social Sin," also listed "ecological" offences as modern evils. In recent months, Pope Benedict has made several strong appeals for the protection of the environment, saying issues such as climate change had become gravely important for the entire human race. Under Benedict and his predecessor John Paul, the Vatican has become progressively "green." It has installed photovoltaic cells on buildings to produce electricity and hosted a scientific conference to discuss the ramifications of global warming and climate change, widely blamed on human use of fossil fuels. Girotti, who is number two in the Vatican "Apostolic Penitentiary," which deals with matter of conscience, also listed drug trafficking and social and economic injustices as modern sins. But Girotti also bemoaned that fewer and fewer Catholics go to confession at all. He pointed to a study by Milan's Catholic University that showed that up to 60 percent of Catholic faithful in Italy stopped going to confession. In the sacrament of Penance, Catholics confess their sins to a priest who absolves them in God's name. But the same study by the Catholic University showed that 30 percent of Italian Catholics believed that there was no need for a priest to be God's intermediary and 20 percent felt uncomfortable talking about their sins to another person. (Editing by Keith Weir) -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 11:41
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LOL!!!
Did God tell him about these new sins?
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 12:24
| I don't believe in the idea of 'sin', but I do agree that it was high time a very influential institution like the Catholic Church (nowhere more influential than in my own fair country) took notice of much more serious forms of abuse than having sex before marriage or using condoms - especially since the continuing rape of the Earth could result in the extinction of the human race. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 13:15
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Not to knock Catholics or their believers, but the inquisition used to be OK, the sun revolved around the earth, the world was flat, etc... When any big and powerful organization comes down on the side of what is right, we should all be thankful. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 14:11
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I'm not a catholic. I don't really care about this. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 14:25
I'm baffled. yes, I'm not catholic also, but many people (millions) are catholic, and I think it's great that a much followed institution like the church has finally acknowledged pollution and the enviroment. I guess you not caring it's ok. I just hope many catholics do....
As Raffaela said, the same idiotic institution that bans condoms and thus promotes aids and over-population and that bans gyas and thus becomes a segregating machine totally against what their Mentor said, has finally done something kind of intelligent.
It's a start...
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cuncuna wrote:Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 14:45
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I care for real about environmental issues. "A" church (instead of "the church"; get rid of those conquered/slave habits, T) won't do much for environment, unless you count praying, wich, again, won't do much. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 15:03
| The church has the worst PR, ever. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 15:20
I have to agree. And is it a first for the Catholic Church to take a stand on something of this nature (pun not intended). They have never uttered a word about pollution, like corporations dumping into waterways. -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 15:21
 I suppose it's OK to take a stance on things, but this is silly. What did Jesus have to say about bioethics? Nothing!!! Continuing to apply archaic ideas to issues not even close to covered in the Bible is going to get increasingly hilarious and anachronistic. I live in North America. North America isn't mentioned in the Bible. I guess God wanted us to be surprised... ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 17:45
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Apparantly the gap between the rich and poor is also a moral disgrace. Perhaps the Catholic church should auction off some of it's vast assets in an act of Christian kindness, to help feed the worlds poor.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080310/twl-vatican-increases-number-of-mortal-s-3fd0ae9.html - 21st Century sins.. It was a great day, when the people of Eire stuck their fingers up at the church, went and bought some condoms and had some fun. Look at the place now; booming! Long gone are the days of nuns running everything and kids being threatened with eternal damnation for missing mass. Thats how my mother described Ireland as a child. Sounds like hell on Earth to me.. |
Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 18:15
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One might interpret the Bible to say this already. "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Genesis 1:24-28 Not to mention that the consequences of ignoring global warming would cause harm to man, an indisputable sin.//EDIT: By the way, the passage-quoting isn't serious. ------------- Hail Eris! 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 18:35
That would be a good thing. -------------
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 18:52
¿Puerto Rico?... ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 23:22
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As some people have mentioned, it's a sign of a very entrenched, conservative institution, finally turning its attention more openly to matters that people of any faith can get behind. It's a good sign, and a step in the right direction. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 10 2008 at 23:40
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The Bible already says it:
Luke 6:31: And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
You want to live in a trash deposit? Surely not
Do companies have their offices full of toxic waste? I guess no.
They throw their trash away from their houses and offices because they are relatively safe (for now), they don't care about heat wave, because they have air conditioner in the dog's house.
So the golden rule applies to this situation and it's in the Boible...The Pope has the priviledge to interpret the Bible.
The funny thing is that of the Pope does nothing about this issues he'¿s a jerk for most people, and if he does, people makes mockery.
Please decide.
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 00:06
Translation: we are pushing environmentalism to detract from the attention we receive when we transfer pedophiles into parishes full of fresh meat. I'm also digging people condemning the wealth gap from a palace wearing robes. Come on Vatican, stop sitting around trying desperate PR move! Take some action. Tell Catholics to do something about Darfur. Better yet, donate some of your vast resources to fixing the problem. Combined, you can really do some good. Meeting with scientists is a great start to understand something being readily dismissed by some high-ranking Christians in America, but looking at those quotes it feels like a cheap distraction from the Church's most pressing issue. Don't guilt Catholics into change; encourage it. How hard is it to say that keeping God's world clean is one of the best things you can do, instead of throwing people in hell for driving an SUV? This may or may not yield any real change, but it does have some promise. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 01:12
Ivan is wise as always (not sarcasm). ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 01:59
What's this conquered/slave mentality man? You're seeing ghosts everywhere! As I was born in a 90% catholic country, I've called the catholic church THE church always... i don't care for other people's churches as being also THE church, I guess for them, it will be their THE church. I'm non-religious but that doesn't mean I will be offended if somebody says THE church... gee!
The thing is, of course it doesn't mean much. But remember: not every person is as independent in their thinking as you are, so there are millions who REALLY obbey what comes out of Rome. So, if ate LEAST ONE PERSON changes his/her attitude towards the enviroment thanks to this new position, it's already a success. Because ONE is better than ZERO.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 02:48
I'm really getting sick and tired of this. Do you know what percentage of priests have been ACCUSED of pedophilia? 0.2% In the whole world In other words 2 out of each 1,000 were ACCUSED, but being ACCUSED doesn't mean being GUILTY. Of course newspapers don't talk about the ones being declared innocent
In Chicago for example, onlñy 1.8% of th4e accused had any soign of guilt, there was no evidence against more than 98% of the accused priests, but still they were condemned by the press....How do you expect the hieracy (not the Pope) and the legal counselors of the Church not to protect them until proven guilty
Casually almost 80% of the ACCUSATIONS are in USA, the only country in the world in which a mother sends his son to sleep im Michael Jackson's bed and prays for him to abuse his child, because USA SYSTEM MAY GIVE YOU US$ 1'000,000 for falling on a store, probably will settle for 10 times more with a well known pedophile.
Do you know how many Christian non Catholic, Jewish, etc members of the clergy are found guilty of Pedophilia? Do you know how many secular teachers? Do you know how many PARENTS ABUSE THEIR KIDS in It's strange that this phenomenon is so wide (if 0.2% is wide) in I know one is too much, but there are perverts everywhere. Take a read of http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2008/02/pedophile-pastor-shot.html - http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2008/02/pedophile-pastor-shot.html or http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2008/01/pedophile-pastor-pleads-guilty.html - http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2008/01/pedophile-pastor-pleads-guilty.html or http://mojoey.blogspot.com/ - http://mojoey.blogspot.com/ or http://www.queerty.com/queer/news/pedophile-pastors-sleazy-porn-game-20070403.php - http://www.queerty.com/queer/news/pedophile-pastors-sleazy-porn-game-20070403.php or many others that I found in a couple minutes, but the press ignores them, because they are no news. And I could follow, but of course nobody talks about Pastors of some Church out there or a Rabi in a Synagogue because they are not news, no...The powerful
People talk about a few corrupt Priests but avoid talking aboout the hundreds or maybe thousands of Priests killed in continents as Africa in the last years or in war zones while making their work, this sounds as hypocrisy. Iván -------------
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 03:05
I really love that line, Ivan. spot on!------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 08:27
One should be careful about that bible quote. It mirrors the Golden Rule. Are you sure you would do unto others as you would have them do to you? How can one really know what another wants? And how do you know that what you want others to do to you does not effect them in a negative way? Just something to think about.
So when will the Vatican go green? Will the Pope refuse to be part of anything that uses fossil fuel burning or stripping of the land? Will he refuse to use plastics? Refuse to drive on asphalt paved roads? Refuse to fly in an airplane? It can go on and on. So much of what we all do impacts negatively the environment. I hope it is not another case of "Do as I say, not as I do."
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 11:56
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 12:19
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Just saying he should live by the words he pontificates. No need to lose your grip and defend the Most Holy one. With God at his side, he can do no wrong.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 12:24
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One more thing. Sorry to hit a nerve.
I perceive this as a PR move and never said it was a bad thing.
If you are inferring that 1.5 billion can't be wrong...wow! I have a bridge for sale.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 11 2008 at 14:51
Seems you don't want to understand, never said we were right, I only mention facts, but I'll explain you as simple as I can:
So: a) Part of this 1,500'000,000 persons listen him (A great percentage will)
b) The Vatican State reduces contamination (even when it's not an industrialized country)
c) All the parrishes and churches MUST obey his dispositions (And they will).
ERGO.......The world would be a better place to live.
This has no relation with being right or wrong, this is an effort of the biggest Church of the Occidental world to make the world better, so I don't understand where you got the idea that I said we were right, because never said it, in this post or others.
If you talk about the Pope's infallibility in matters of faith when talking Ex Cathedra, that's something we believe in, and never mentioned in this thread.
So please don't put words in my mouth.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 06:48
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Well, since this thread seems to have gone off topic, what's with wearing a crucifix with Jesus on it when the Bible says not to make graven images? Isn't that a little like if Jesus had died by hanging, wearing a noose with Jesus? Just curious...
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Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 09:03
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This topic shows again, that the attidude of many people towads Christianity and anything related to it is something like this:
The fox tells the wolf: -Let's beat the rabbit!
-OK, but for what reason?
-If he is wearing a hat, for wearing a hat, if he isn't, for not wearing.
The rabbit isn't wearing a ghat, so gets beaten.
Some days latter the fox:
-Let's beat the rabbit again!
-OK, but why?
-We ask him whether he was leftist or rightist, and beat him orwhat he says.
They ask the rabbit about his political preferences, but the rabbit replies:
-I'm in the middle.
The wolf and the fox gets confused for a minute, but the fox quickly finds the solution:
-Look, this little villain isn't wearing a hat again...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 14:24
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I am no catholic, yet I understand why this is good. I insist:
- If it's not bad, if it's something positive, then it's something good. Yes, IT COULD BE BETTER. But IT's GOOD. Stop saying "oh they did this and they didn't say that and..."
- Millions of people follow what Rome and the Pope says... I insist: while many, I'm sure, have the free, open, intellectual minds of many here in this thread who say this is useless, there must be a lot that actually follow blindly or, not going that far, just take the Pope's words as kind of an advice. Many brilliant people actually do. So, let's say 10000 people listen to this new word by Rome and actually act accordingly... Isn't it better than ZERO? Isn't 10000 better than zero?????
ONE person can save the world. Or at least try.
Oh, gosh, it's a "PR" thing......
Yes, so what the
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 14:37
Don't you have some Dream Theater to listen to?
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 14:42
Of course people follow what Rome says... I live there! |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 14:43
The thing is, as long as you keep calling one church "The Church", you'll be passing a little amount of power. CAreful with language, it is full of ghosts indeed. ¿Is somebody left in your country that has managed to keep alive some native religion? My guessing is not. This language thing is partially how it happens. This is not about being offended, it is about cultural invasion. Now, religions and environment. Uhm... I like to believe that I have independent thinking, but the truth is I don't. But because I like to think it, I care about environment. That is as useless as one church declaring that you will go to european hell if you don't recycle. What the environment need is something that won't happen, because it involves finances and numbers. Planet Earth is doomed, and all there'll be left will be a big mess and millions of years of recovery. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 14:55
it's quite true-- many intellectual, educated, sophisticated, artistic people happen to also be religious |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 15:06
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Exactly... My late mother used to be one of those people. I am not religious myself (and certainly not in any traditional, recognised fashion), but I tend to dislike the equation: religious=close-minded or even ignorant. On the other hand, I think the whole environmental issue is a very complex one, since it touches upon many people's ingrained way of life. Just to make a very trivial example, so many people are so dependent on their cars that it would take much more than the Pope's words to make them give up such a commodity. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 15:21
No... I have a planet to save.... And I think I'll do it with both the help of the Pope and Dream Theater...
Cuncuna, your view of the future, though maybe accurate, is kind of gloomy, dark, and pesimistic. I guess some optimism in these matters helps more... maybe. -------------
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 15:39
just as believing in science and believing in a deity are not contradictions at all. on the contrary, many top scientists do believe in God because of the discoveries of their science; they just can't believe that such wonderful structure and harmony could be the result of random processes and rather feel the presence of a planning mind ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 15:48
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^ perhaps for some scientists, but I suspect for others it's more of a reverence of nature and the cosmos than for a supreme being.. or the universe as God, if you will |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 16:25
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More general matter:
Vatican City (AHN) - In an attempt to give moral and ethical behavior more significance to current times, the Vatican has recently announced seven new deadly sins, published in an issue of the L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican's official newspaper. The revision of the list comes after 1,500 years, with Vatican officials explaining that the new items address a global "secular" society bent on the concerns in the age of globalization. The sins are said to be an address to the "decreasing sense of sin" in the modern world. "The sins of today have a social resonance as well as an individual one," said Monsignor Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary. "In effect, it is more important than ever to pay attention to your sins." Mgr Girotti named the new mortal sins to be (1)genetic modification; (2) human experimentations, (3) polluting the environment; (4) social injustice; (5) causing poverty; (6) financial gluttony; and (7) taking drugs. The sins were added, according to the Telegraph, to the original seven, which Mgr Girotti described has having "rather individualistic dimenion(s)." Mgr Girotti explained that numbers have shown that less Catholics in Italy go to confession, with 60 percent no longer participating in what is considered one of the most important sacraments. In remedying this, he acknowledged that priests must also consider new sins, brought about by changes in the global community. "You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor's wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out mortally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos," the Times quoted Mgr Girotti. Girotti also recognized the growing problems of abortion, pedophilia, and a widespread habit of "making do without God." "Those who trust in themselves and in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own 'I', and their hearts harden in sin," said Girotti.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 17:07
Aww man, I thought you were speaking literally when you said the pope turns green. Maybe he could drink a lot of colloidal silver and turn blue. 
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 17:42
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Nice words. But the evangelicals in the U.S. have a bigger advertising budget, and more experienced PR reps. And they still tilt heavily towards the "no use preserving & conserving, 'cause we're soon goin' on up to meet Jesus, and leaving the bad folks behind to burn. As for the Pope spelling out these "new" sins, well ... most Catholics, actually all Catholics AND all people of faith (christian, muslim, jew, hindu et al) are cafeteria confessors when it comes to our religious beliefs. We believe the parts of our faith that we want to, disregard or dismiss those that we don't want. And YES, this includes the lapsed believer and the fundamentalist. The anti-homophobe spiel that Martin Sheen unleashed in The West Wing is a good example used by those who consider themselves moderate. The more righteous could also just as easily put together a diatribe exposing the other side's inconsistencies. P.S. Let me repeat ... this occurs in ALL faiths. Since 9/11, we have seen this displayed publicly with Islam, and how varied the actual beliefs of Muslims can be. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 19:17
It's worshipping graven images, although the Protestants interpret it your way. Your noose example is irrelevant.
No, dbrew, you can't get away with that just because you're calling everyone dishonest. Because there's still the problem of you calling every religious person dishonest. But athiests are honest, presumably? How odd...
Oh, and I heard that West Wing spiel, and it was fairly lame and very easy to disarm by someone who knows they're talking about. But, of course, the writers made the woman have no response because they were trying to prove a point. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 19:22
| I guess you Catholic folks will have to stop living in order to not sin. But how do you stop living if you can't commit suicide? I mean no matter what you're polluting. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 19:29
Yes, but are you going to address these comments?:
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 21:31
Le me put it in concrete terms: catholic church is against sex before marriage. Catholic church is also against child abuse. Catholic church seems to be against other religions as well (that catholic boss recently talked about how there was no salvation outside catholic church, I know about this not because I care, but because an homosexual friend told me about this and some strong homophobic statements comming in the same speech). Catholic church is against a lot of things, but nothing stops. Priests keeps having sex (hell, I know one that has a whole familiy), priests have being constantly acused of child abuse. I'm not saying that those two things belong to the same cathegory. Sex is sex and can only be bad if it is bad (...) and if sex is bad then you'll probably won't ave sex again so problem solved. Child abuse is horrible, but catholic church protects and hides priests found guilty of child abuse. As for other religions, they will just exist on their own right, even if catholic church likes it or not. A religion based on love that declares its rejection to a whole bunch of human beings just because of their sexual choice sounds kind of oximoronic... ¿and now they are against contamination?. Catholic church makes it difficult for me to know if they are against things for good or for bad reasons, but I'm certain of this: catholic church won't invest a cent into actual environmental protection. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 21:54
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@Slartibartfast: Uhhhh...
@cuncuna: There are so many things wrong with what you said I don't know where to begin. I'll just make a list.
There is salvation outside the Catholic Church, this was an in-depth theological discussion for a long time, that guy is wrong. Of course the Church thinks it's right, what's the point otherwise? And not every religion can be right, they're mutually exclusive.
The priest that has a whole family was approved by the Church because he was validly ordained by a Protestant that. If that's not the case, he would have been defrocked by now. The Church has stopped protecting pedophiles, those were isolated incidents by corrupt bishops.
Marriage, what God intended, etc., we've had the ZOMG GHEY discussion before.
You have absolutely no reason or evidence to be certain that the Church will not make any investments into enviromental protection, and that is a stupid thing to say. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 21:55
Funny how people jump on this one when talking about Catholics, but better do an interpretation:
In first place the translation is totally wromg (yes even King James, the original word used is IDOL, an idol is a differnt thing than God
The language originally used by the Hevbrews during the Exodus was a semitivc variation of Hebrew and was a very poor language, so part of the original translation remains unknown.
What is an idol? Check the dictionary:
IDOL: 1: a representation or symbol of an object of worship; broadly : a false god
As you might know, we don't make images of a false God, we make images that REPRESENT the true God according to our beliefs.
Thuis was a precep´t against those Hebrwes who in the dark kept making Egyptian idols, because as we will see later, God himself asks to make some images.
But the Biblical quote follows
We don't bow before the clay or yeast in which the image is made, we bow before God or the Saint that this image represents, that's something different.
Deuteronomy is more explicoit:
God talks in plural referring to false gods that can't hear, listen or smelll.
The funny thing is that the Old Testament (unlike the New Testament) is full of contradictions that no longer apply today, for example:
The same leviticus says:
Why don't people criticize all the Christian who don't buy Pagan" slaves? Because this rule doesn't apply to our circumstances.
But God himself orders to create images:
Or
Isn't a Cherub of gold a representation of "something that is in heaven"?
Of course, but it's not idol, itt's part of the Tabervnacle designed to honor God.
BTW: Don't most Christian denominations make cartoon movies of Jesus life? Isn't that creating an image? Why this is valid and not making a statue that represents God and not an idol?
If we take this precepts to thee extreme as some really Fundamentalist Jewish communities, pictures of people should be banned, because they are a< representation of a person to hour or to remember.
Before criticizing, it's better to understand what we believe is not far from the Bible, it's just a different interpretation, just as Jehova Wittness prefer to die rather than receine a blood transfusion because they believe it's a form of eating the blood, which of course is banned in the Bible.
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 12 2008 at 22:53
1.- I'm talking about another priest, locally and friend of the family (well, partially). 2.- We have a fair share of protected priests around here; some of them sent to "exile", others relocated. 3.- Salvation from what exactly. 4.- You're right. I'll just patiently wait to be proven wrong by thousand of catholic church dollars or hollymoneys to be invested into save the planet. 5.- Still they dissaprove homosexuality, ¿where's your view on that?. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 00:11
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I don't think you matched up any of my points in the right order...
It doesn't matter if he's your friend, I'm saying that proclaiming Priests are still having sex is mostly incorrect and irrelevant to the point you were trying to make.
Some people are being protected, but it's something they're trying to fix. They handled it terribly, I know.
Salvation from HELL. What else? Do we really need to go over basic Christian theology?
Whatever.
I agree, and I have no desire to argue their position with you. ------------- Member suspended |
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Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 07:13
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 08:54
| My gut reaction was "populists", but they seem to be sincere, and in that case making pollution and drug trafficking and the like "sins" is a good initiative (though I disagree with their opinions about stemcell research and related issues). The amount of people respecting the word of the Vatican is much bigger than the amount of people respecting the word of (mostly) leftist environmental organisations, or Al Gore. |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 10:38
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To kill is a sin if I remember correctly, but there seems to be a fair amount of killing by money issues in the world right now. I wish I could think like The T, but the truth is, it doesn't matter if a lot of people respect the opinion of a sparragus, money and those who pursuit it are in charge, and they'll just suck the life out of mother nature until there isn't any possible profit to make out of it. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 11:13
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Rich Catholic oil men in the USA will be soon be changing religions. They will join the religion of Joel Olsteen.
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Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 11:52
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Or to Maradona religion... ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 13:45
Unless there's some hidden meaning I don't know about, I've always said asparragus are very religious and powerful vegetables...I may sound like a stubborn fool whose point doesn't get across, but here it goes again: this thread was aboout these new "sins" . Ok. I consider "sins" to be stupid, I actually commit and have commited many sins, this church segregates people like gay people, all of that's true, and it won't make that big a difference, that's also true. But, my point is:
if we're asking about whether this new "sins" thing by the Pope is good or no... it still is good. Because there are people that will stay away from these "sins" just because the Church said so, so, even if it's just a few people, even if it's ONE person that stops hurting the environment, this new "sins" thing would have helped more than damaged. -------------
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 14:37
Along the lines of sins, a Gnostic Gospel has this little tidbit:
25. Peter said to him, Since you have explained everything to us, tell us this also: What is the sin of the world? 26. The Savior said There is no sin, but it is you who make sin when you do the things that are like the nature of adultery, which is called sin. 27. That is why the Good came into your midst, to the essence of every nature in order to restore it to its root.
So we can see that it is clearly man who defines sin, not God.
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 15:53
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It's really no use speaking of what the bible says and what it doesn't. I don't think anyone in their right mind can actually take all their advice froma piece of fantasy supposedly written many many years ago. Personally I hold it in the same position as the Lord of the Rings, though the latter is much better written and much more coherent. The position that the catholic church has taken since the beginning was to be a moral ruler, and sure, they've realy been left behind by human development, and most of the regulations set by them are in fact against the common rights of a man, set by the societal world. But that's basically two institutions as rivals, the other between people and the other between one image and one receiver. At this point the church does a lot to set sins and hold on to its traditional ones to seem useful and to not lose its credability. A moral law against premarital sex is not the 21st century and will not be taken literally except by fundamentalists. However, placing pollution under ban in a way as they did is something I can't argue with, even though I like to argue with religions. The Vatican willing to contribute on earthly matters just shows, imo, that they are starting to feel the need of finally making contact with the world, or soon theyäll end up like modern royal institutions. See for example the English royal family, inbread folk around the world basically there just to be celebrities, to go around drinking tax money and having fancy parties. But it's a long lasting tradition. And as much as it is something that stands for everything conservative, it'll always be there at least to some level. Now announcing something a sin sounds most of all funny. I personally should becaome a constructor so that the Satan had something for me to do once i go down there. Seriously, the heaven seems to be very limited while hell is expanding daily. Nothing that really efects your life will make you change your ways unless you already did it. I'm sure this new "doctrine" will have effect on how much carbon dioxide some priests emit when they fart, but here as a sin it would also mean, that they should stop driving around in cars too. And as far as I know, some sins are not bigger than others, right? Would it then work if we drove to the church and told the priest that, it'd be OK? I don't know, frankly i don't care. I just see Vatican as a forgotten member of the world. Frankly I don't pay any attention to it other than on these occasions. And everything green is very much supported from me. So I'm giving my thumbs up to Pope Ben-what'shisname the something number something. Though it won't be the first time they'll spot, that the conservatives that claim to be highly religious decide not to stop polluting. After all, for most people the only religion is money. And in that sense, one can always just tell God to f**k off for a while and let it settle on itself. I dunno. Just some pieces of my wondering mind here ... |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 19:08
I'm not really worried about what the pope says. I never voted for him.
I certainly think that we need to do something about the environment 'though, but it's got to come from everyone. It's pointless recycling your newspapers if you then take four foreign holidays a year and drive an SUV that does 8 miles to the gallon.  ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 21:42
No, you are claiming that the Church is powerless to actually stop it, when the example you mentioned is sanctioned by the Church. This is because that even though Protestants split and changed the discipline of priests marrying, some of their bishops are still validly ordained through the power of Peter, and so the Church respects that when a Protestant minister with a family wants to become a Catholic. This happens relatively rarely, though.
I mean, unless you know for certain that he has a secret family, but I highly doubt that. Sex before marriage is irrelevant because the Church cannot possibly stop individual members from breaking the rules if they want to.
I agree.
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Their position on homosexuality. Yeah, I wasn't very clear on that, but I thought you could follow my direct matching up of your points down in a row. I am not going to argue it with you or anyone else. But I still like you BaldJean and BaldFriede.
The Gnostic Gospels are also extremely heretical.
Are there really very many rich Catholic oil men? The USA is predominately Protestant.
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 21:57
No doubt. Salvation comes from within and not through the Church? I can see why they got a handle on that. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 22:09
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 00:24
Isn't the position of the church that homosexuality is an aberration, a sin, and that homosexuals are either sick or perverted, but never normal people? I just can't believe someone agrees with that on this day and age. Well, there are still people who believe Adam and Eve were the first people on earth....Talk about double standard... Poor Jesus must be having nightmares seeing what kind of "solidarity" was created in His name....
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 01:23
Unfortunately Teo is right, though the wording used by the Church these days is a bit more nuanced than 'aberration' or 'sick and perverted'. If my memory serves me right, they talk about a 'grievous moral disorder'. However, as much as I profoundly dislike the continuing interference of the Catholic Church in matters of Italian politics, I have to say that such ideas on homosexuals are shared by people who are not Catholic, or even religious for that matter. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 04:06
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 04:57
Sorry, the swearing was a bit much, although I never directly insulted anyone, unlike The T....But point taken. Edited for civility.
Please don't play the moral high ground card on me; it's completely uncalled for. I haven't done it at all in this thread, and acting self-righteous helps nobody. You can think it, but saying it is not condusive to discussion at all. Implying that believing one of the core beliefs of Christianity makes you ignorant and stupid is also completely unnecessary. Yes, Genesis is not literal, but some aspects of it must be true or the whole thing doesn't work. Please choose your words more carefully in the future.
Anyway, no, the Church does not believe that homosexuals are http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm - monsters . You're thinking more of the Westboro Baptist Church idiots, who are a fringe group by any standard and actually Protestants. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 06:33
I can't say I agree here. up to 20% of my country's carbon dioxide emissions come from individual cars in the traffic, and there is a lot of pollution to automobile industry and gasoline refineries. Of course I know, that it's the larger infrastructure that creates most of the world's pollution at the moment, but how is one aspect here bigger than other. Also referring to recycling carbage and still going around the world for vacations is considered hypocritical. Though in my opinion it's better you recycle them even if you do a lot worse things because every 1% off of the piles we stock on nature at the moment is only for the good. And you can't really expect everyone to cut off the big portions of their lives just like that. It takes time. But recycling is a great way to start it, so is saving energy the way you possibly can. There are so many things you can do, and it's not up to you to put a halt to the oiling industry, it's up to everyone, as is recycling. Then to the last post on this thread... Baptist idiots? Does that really mean people here should come around and understand catholics, but the baptists are idiots? I personally think everyone who's afriad of different sexualities is an idiot to a certain point. That, or afraid of their own sexuality, if that's the case here. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 06:49
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Everything you do pollutes to some extent. I don't think you should interpret that as a mandate to do the most minimum amount of driving possible; it's about bringing more of a balance to our activities. I don't think the occasional vacation is that big a deal, and the Pope himself obviously has to travel around to visit places to give speeches and whatnot like any other major world figure.
I was not referring to Baptists in general as stupid. I was talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church - these people , who are certifiably insane. But there's only about 50 of them, it's just that they're very loud. I guess you haven't heard about them so much in Finland, but they had significant media attention over here for a while when they first started protesting soldiers' funerals (they've been forced to stop that because of a successful lawsuit), and people still sometimes bring them up on the internet. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 07:37
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 09:38
Actually, if I were on to believe in a salvation of the soul, it seems quite clear that one must be saved from within, meaning in one's character/mind. In this way, man must save himself from the evils against his brother. No person can do this for him. He must change his ways and his attitudes. There is no mystery on how this is accomplished. It starts with abandoning selfishness. A person does not need religion to realize this.
The Gnostic Gospels are a whole other topic, but quickly, they were deemed heretical due to the re-interpreted ideals of one person only...Paul.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 10:00
Ahem - if you're not careful, I shall use my Admin powers to wave my private parts at your Aunty! Oooo-eerr - it's the boss: 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 10:34
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Simultaneous religion and environmental discussion! This thread delivers!
Perhaps this topic can tie the two together again: I've seen it discussed before, and it's kind of interesting...
Do you think that because of the Christian idea of Heaven and Rapture (i.e. the notion that someday soon we'll all be instantly whisked off to a better place than earth), western civilization has cared less about the environment? That is to say, since the christians, who have held power throughout western history and through the industrial revolution, will be all raptured away to heaven, leaving the earth to satan and his slaves, western people haven't been good stewards of the earth?
That sentence is all kinds of comma-spliced, but I think you get the point...
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Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 12:33
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^ it IS an interesting point; actually my family is probably sick of hearing it from me I'm not sure it applies to them though...They're Christians and don't feel they'll be saved before the environmental problem gets out of control...they don't even seem to think it is or will ever be a problem. I think the main places where most people gain their impression of issues like this are noticeably biased against it, and have a wonderful way of making environmentalists and "greens" look like wacky leftists (which they are to an extent), the more extreme ones keep conservative Christians from taking the issue seriously. But as for the evangelists and "hardcore" protestants, I can support GS's point, these folks seriously think that messing up the planet is fine-and-dandy because soon, it will be home exclusively to atheists, gays, rock musicians, and the French. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 13:38
Salvo was not talking about the Baptists in general, who are a very respectable religion, he was talking about the Westboro Baptist Church, AND NO THEY ARE NOT IDIOTS, THEY ARE THE WORST KIND OF BIGOTS YOU CAN FIND, AN IDIOT IS NOT GUILTY BECAUSE OF HIS/HER LACK OF INTELLIGENCE, BUT A NORMAL PERSON WHO HAS THIS IN HIS PAGE AS THEIR BANNER, IS WORST THAN AN IDIOT:
I ask the pardon of the members for this symbolls and messages, I'm not supporting them, just quoting part of their website to prove what kind of people they are.
The Westboro Baptist Church is an anti Homosexual and Anti USA cult (No Church can be so radical), no Church has the right to step over the flag of any country.
Hate is their ideology, this are sites recommended by them, all trash, God doesn't hate, BIGOTS HATE.:
The Catholic Church keeps an anti-HOMOSEXUALITY policy, but this idiot called Fred Phelps from Topeka Kansas hates Homosexuals, he would kill them if he could.
This is the position of the Catholic Church:
I don't agree with the position of the Church, but is a moderate one, the CC is against any form of intercourse not oriented towards procreation, this includes homosexuality, sex outside the marriage, and artificial methods to prevent conception; but the Catholic Church doesnt hate homosexuals.
So I agree with Salvo but not with the adjective, is too soft for this kind of people who believe God is hate.
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Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 15:18
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 14 2008 at 15:45
Awesome! I am a believer that homosexuality is not a choice in most cases. Religion/Church can't change what a person is when they are born. And they attempt to strip away any true happiness that person might find with another human being which happens to be of the same sex. That is a sin, to me, and committed by a Church that makes up sins as they see fit. It is hypocritical in my eyes.
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 15 2008 at 21:45
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T, I read your shock as implying that you can't believe someone would be so dumb/ignorant, but if that's not what you meant, then I accept it as a miscommunication.
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 14:27
I can't travel back in time to show you a specific segment of the news of my country. Truth is, I didn't paid much attention to it back then either, but I do remember it since it was some sort of ¿what? moment for me. As much as the new one saying "no, no, it does exist". Don't worry, I'll find it for you. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 14:30
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In fact: http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/346354/0/papa/benedicto/infierno/ - http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/346354/0/papa/benedicto/infierno/ You'll need an online translation, but there you have it: "Pope Benedict (number) contradicts Juan Pablo II (I don't know if John Paul II is the right translation) and says hell do exist". And some more stuff about it that will probably come out as a Jonh anderson lyric from the online translation. You are welcome. According to the article (and some more), the "hell doesn't exist" statement is from 1999. So my memory doesn't suck that much (a memory from almost 10 years back, and from something I don't particulary care and I ust heard on TV while probably electrocuting myself with some house made Van der Graaf Generator). Hurray me... ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 14:31
the pope turns green?... better than the Dark Side I guess. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 14:33
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¿How exactly can one do that anyway?. I just can turn right or left... ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 20:51
Is it ok if I say "¡¡¡YOU ARE THE 'BIG GENERATOR' OF HUMANITY!!!" to someone?... I mean, it is not obscene or anything, but sure it'll hurt... ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
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Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 21:40
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Big Generator = 3/5 stars
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 21:53
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 21:55
Sorry Cuncuna, the magazine is talking BS, they misunderstood what John Paull II said in 1999:
What John Paul II explained is not that hell is a place with fire, tortures and a guy in red pijamas, he explained that the nature of hell is remaining self excluded for eternity from God.
John Paul II also said that hell is not a punishment imposed by God, but a self-decided fate.
But no Pope has ever said hell doesn't exist, magazines write nonsense without verification, this is how sects and cults are created, people misundserstand a message and considers it his truth.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 22:39
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 22:44
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: March 17 2008 at 23:42
JPII was pope in 1999, so I assume that's right. As far as I can tell, they are referring to a statement in which he said that Hell is not a physical place (which is correct). What Benedict said does not contradict it, he's only saying that Christianity has lost focus on Hell (which is also true), and they should remember that it's a real place.
You're just being subjected to extremely poor journalism, which is common on religious matters or really anything that has a degree of subtlety. The media is kind of retarded.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 01:26
The problem of the media, is that many journalists believe they know everything and talk about things they don't knoiw a word.
A soccer narrator said on national TV during the Euro 2004 that Greece is called the Hellenic Country because of the Queen Helen of Troy.
That program had an open phone, so I called him and explained the aberration he had just said, he replied "I think I know what I'm talking about, but anyway, this phone is for football issues, not to correct me". .Of course the rival stations made mockery out of the guy.
The same happens here, a guy who doesn't know a word about Theology, reads a complex Pontificial Document and of course he doesn't understands it, but still he says an aberration, because a Pope contradicting the previous one is always news, even if this statement is false.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 08:44
I can appreciate the humor here. I wneed to point something out though. This illustrates the problem of improper communication. How? I happen to like BG quite a bit. Much more so over Tales and CTTE.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 08:49
Having 15 plus years of Roman Catholic teaching (parochial school and mass 2-3 times a week), I was always taught that Hell is in fact not a place where souls are tormented by fire, but a state of the soul that suffers being alone for eternity. Hell was described as the absence of God.
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Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 09:54
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Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 09:55
Thanks. As I previously said, I heard it back then in the TV news, so I stand corrected. ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 15:06
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Date Posted: March 18 2008 at 21:01
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Posted By: rhinn
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 19:58
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In this day and age with knowledge of all we know, why do we still believe in religion?
I read earlier today that muslims have surpassed catholics alive on our little rock, and i wondered who cares? There is no proof of god, and there is no proof there is no god......where are we actually?
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Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 21:33
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 01 2008 at 21:54
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BTW: For those who said this were just words, here are some facts:
The Vatican is in the way of not using a single KW of energy that doesn't come from clean source, all the electricity of the country is starting to come from a gigantic solar panel (the size of a football field) already built and this panels will be installed in every roof,
In a few years they will be able to sell the superavit of energy to Rome, enough to cover a significant percentage of the needs of Rome.
So if anybody believes this is wrong or that the Pope spoke nonsesnses, well, here are some solid arguments.
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Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 16:39
Smug athiest ftl. ------------- Member suspended |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 16:48
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Now that there are fewer Christians in the world, there will be more room in heaven. The Muslim thing is working out well for more available space. I wonder if you can rent it out in heaven?
So when the Earth is gone? What will God do for fun? Maybe he'll create a new race of "intelligent" creatures and make them fear him too! Misery loves company you know. Wouldn't that be thoughtful of him?
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:46
Of course, there's always the comment that anyone who claims to understand the unknowable, i.e. God (according to the early Hebrews , I think it's in the Old Testament), or even worse to determine the exact meaning should be considered fair game for criticism. On the other hand, one of many sides loves to claim that the others are cafeteria christians who pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe in & follow. If you read A J Jacobs "the Year of Living Biblically", you may come to see that all christians, from all sects; and also just about any other religion or theist beliefs, all have different views on what is considered the Orthodox path. Here's an Emo Philips joke to over-emphasize the minisculinity of religious prejudicial righteousness : " The Wisdom Of Emo PhillipsI was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. -- Emo Phillips"------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Salvo_
Date Posted: April 02 2008 at 20:07
YOU'RE SO CLEVER! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!
Woah, man, that's deep. There's a reason Christians "pick and choose", but whatever, you're convinced all religious people are dishonest so I'm not going to bother. ------------- Member suspended |