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soundsweird View Drop Down

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Joined: December 08 2005
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Posted: March 21 2008 at 01:59

Boy, I sure wish I'd bought stock (back in the 80's) in the companies that publish rhyming dictionaries.

Petrovsk Mizinski View Drop Down

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Posted: March 21 2008 at 02:14

soundsweird wrote:

Boy, I sure wish I'd bought stock (back in the 80's) in the companies that publish rhyming dictionaries.

It seems you missed the time, to be able to get books to be able to rhyme.

You could have been a poet, and you didn't know it.

weetabix

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Posted: March 21 2008 at 06:41

we have gone from the Beatles 'All you need is Love' to some rapper or hip hop artist yelling "you crazy bitch" too much anger for me. Benny Hill he was a fair rapper?

MHDTV

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Posted: March 21 2008 at 19:51

darqDean wrote:

The majority (ie more than 50%) of Rap is in common time, for it to be a "large percentage" it would have to approach 50% - I'd settle for 30% but nothing less than that.

There are some Rap songes in 3/4 and 6/8, but I'd be surprised to see anything in more unusual or irrational meters simply because you cannot dance to it ... (well you can, but it would be like having one leg longer than the other, you'd dance in ever decreasing circles like a haggis on a mountainside).

The majority of music 4/4 or 3/4...Rap doesn't need to be danceable. Here are a few songs with funny time sigs, or changing time sigs. From one artist.
Save Yourself-Aesop Rock
The Harbor Is Yours-Aesop Rock
Big Bang-Aesop Rock

Freak yo' swerve

JLocke

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Posted: March 22 2008 at 15:37

Well, quite frankly, I dislike Hip-Hop because it isn't original or creative in any way I can figure out. It's a materialistic, angry, and ignorant form of music, IN MY OPINION. Why would I spend my time listening to a synthesized bass beat repeated over and over backing up some mumbling idiot talking about hoes and bitches?

I'm not saying that is what ALL Hip-Hop is like, but since that is pretty much what all of the popular stuff in Rap has become, I don't respect it enough to delve any deeper than what I see on TV. There may be genuinely good music out there hidden amoungst the crap, but to me, I'm completely happy with the music I already listen to, and there is so much variety in Prog Rock that I don't see a reason to give Hip-Hop a chance at all.

It should be noted: I was once a Rap listener, so I have experienced the repetetive nonsense firsthand.

JLocke

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Posted: March 22 2008 at 15:53

Additionally . . .

I would like to clarify that bands that have encoorparated rap along with genuine music have always interested me. Gorillaz, Linkin Park, KoRn, P.O.D., etc. are all artists that I have held on to from my pre-prog days. But see, those bands actually have musical talent, and I just don't think talking really fast in rhyme is anything all that special.

Salvo_

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Posted: March 22 2008 at 16:21

Hahaha, rappers have no talent but Linkin Park do...

JLocke

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Posted: March 22 2008 at 21:23

Salvo_ wrote:

Hahaha, rappers have no talent but Linkin Park do...

Um, if you are seriousely suggesting that you think gun-toting gansta wannabes hollering about how fast their cars are have more talent than rock musicians, I would have to say you and I are VERY different people,

Edited by p0mt3 - March 22 2008 at 22:55

MHDTV

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Posted: March 23 2008 at 14:42

Listen to yourself. You actually believe that a bunch of nobodies mixing faux-screaming with recycled metal riffs are more talented than someone like Chuck D or Blockhead?

Freak yo' swerve

JLocke

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Posted: March 24 2008 at 14:20

MHDTV wrote:

Listen to yourself. You actually believe that a bunch of nobodies mixing faux-screaming with recycled metal riffs are more talented than someone like Chuck D or Blockhead?

You obviousely haven't really listened to the bands I am talking about, just as I haven't really listened to the "artists"

you seem to worship. So why don't we do each other a big favor and just drop this? I have no interest in idiotic nursery rhymes for idiots, and I am not about to start listening to it now. All we are doing now is fueling a fire to something that will only end with flaming and name-calling. I don't want it to turn into that, so I am politely asking you to leave it alone. I hate Hip-Hop, you hate Nu-Metal. Now that we are clear on where the other one stands on the issue, let's call it a day, aye? Please?

MHDTV

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Posted: March 24 2008 at 19:14

Ok...Nevermind that rap isn't about cars, drugs and hoes.

Freak yo' swerve

JLocke

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Posted: March 24 2008 at 19:42

Exactly. I clearly don't really know what Rap really is. I'm simply basing my opinion of it on what I see on MTV and the like. Am I being a little shallow and unfair? Of course, but I guess all I'm saying is . . . I've never really had any desire to do much researchin the matter. I'm perfectly happy without hip-hop in my musical life, I'm not trying to knock you personally at all, honestly. It's just a preferance.

MHDTV

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Posted: March 24 2008 at 20:55

I understand, I've never bothered to get into Indian Music, or a thousand other things, I just don't come on an internet forum and trash it...That's all.

Freak yo' swerve

moreitsythanyou View Drop Down

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Posted: March 24 2008 at 21:08

Dalek knocked my socks off by the way.

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Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down

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Posted: March 24 2008 at 22:30

MHDTV wrote:

I understand, I've never bothered to get into Indian Music, or a thousand other things, I just don't come on an internet forum and trash it...That's all.

But Indian Music doesn't fload the radios with endless hours of sub-standasd material.

Indian music is for a small group of listeners outside India, but Rap is massive, and lets face it, 99% of what you listen in the radios, stores and streets is less than bad, the good stuff is so hidden and scarse that can be considered the exception to the rule.

If you haven't heard Indian Music, you can't give an opinion, but if you have heard loads of Rap and nothing that you listen sounds barely decent, you can give an opinion about it, mostly if what you heard is a representation of the vast majority.

Remember, the exception is what confirms the general rule.

Iván

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Posted: March 24 2008 at 22:41

p0mt3 wrote:

Salvo_ wrote:

Hahaha, rappers have no talent but Linkin Park do...

I agree that rappers lack talent, but I think that the DJ's, you know the guys who actually do the sampling and arranging and scratching etc. have tons of talent, even if you don't like the vocals to the style they play you can atleas appretiate their talent.

who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob

JLocke

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Posted: March 24 2008 at 23:14

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

MHDTV wrote:

I understand, I've never bothered to get into Indian Music, or a thousand other things, I just don't come on an internet forum and trash it...That's all.

But Indian Music doesn't fload the radios with endless hours of sub-standasd material.

Remember, the exception is what confirms the general rule.

Iván

. . . and that's all I'm saying. The guy doesn't seem to wanna let it go.

A B Negative View Drop Down

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Posted: March 26 2008 at 11:04

For anti-sexist, anti-racist, anti-homophobic hip hop, try Consolidated.

"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."

unclemeat69 View Drop Down

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Posted: March 29 2008 at 16:23

A B Negative wrote:

For anti-sexist, anti-racist, anti-homophobic hip hop, try Consolidated.

If you prefer the exact opposite, try early Schoolly D

Follow your bliss

lucas

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Posted: April 12 2008 at 17:04

I tried to like rap but I really can't understand this genre. Probably because it's the most simple form of music (no instruments and no singing).

It works when combined wth metal :

Ice T/slayer

Ice T/bodycount

Public enemy/anthrax

and some crossover bands (rapcore ?, it's what we call nowadays "nu-metal") like Biohazard or RATM, suicidal tendencies, faith no more ? delivered some pretty decent stuff.

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)