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The Quiet One
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Joined: January 16 2008
Location: Argentina
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Points: 15745
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 18:50 |
I couldn't probably listen hip hop, even though I heard most of those artists. I really can't the farest I could go from Prog is to pop or new wave or glam metal?....
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007
Location: United States
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Points: 1882
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 19:08 |
Just read the sidetracked bit about progressive country wich reminds me... The String Cheese Incedent (a bluegrass/jamband/jazz/psyche/prog band from Colorado) should be added into prog folk after all bluegrass is a type of folk, and their arn't enough prog-folk bands with US-folk influences
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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micky
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Posted: March 03 2008 at 19:13 |
Proletariat wrote:
Just read the sidetracked bit about progressive country wich reminds me... The String Cheese Incedent (a bluegrass/jamband/jazz/psyche/prog band from Colorado) should be added into prog folk after all bluegrass is a type of folk, and their arn't enough prog-folk bands with US-folk influences |
I've heard OF them.. but not heard them. I'll pass them on to our Prog-Folk Researcher.. a fellow Yank hahhaha. More would be nice.. if they fit of course.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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bhikkhu
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Joined: April 06 2006
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Posted: March 05 2008 at 14:17 |
Hey, I even found the second Wally album, "Valley Gardens." This is straight up symph, and mellotron abounds.
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ClassicRocker
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Joined: March 02 2007
Location: United States
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 11:31 |
I haven't read through the whole thread, but I have nothing against rap. I'm certain that a large number of people here DO have something against the 50 cent types, though. While I don't have any straight-rap albums, I do particularly love the Gorillaz' Demon Days (better than the debut IMO). About half of the tracks have featured rappers. The music is extremely eclectic, and while it isn't "prog", I'd call the album progressive without a second thought.
(If you are a fan, D-Sides is worth checking out... at least for the first disc of rarities)
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MusicForSpeedin
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Joined: July 22 2005
Location: United States
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Points: 613
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 10:01 |
To all people who have tried to get into hip hop and couldn't try out some Quasimoto. This has got to be some of the best hip hop I have ever heard....very original.
Some other great Hip Hop Black Star (Mos Def & Talib Kweli) Slum Village RJD2 Madlib Jurassic 5 Strange Fruit Project The Roots Jaylib A Tribe Called Quest Digable Planets J Dilla Oh No
serious stuff...
Edited by MusicForSpeedin - March 08 2008 at 10:05
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BaldJean
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Joined: May 28 2005
Location: Germany
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Points: 10387
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 10:21 |
it is the steady beat of hip-hop and rap which gets on my nerves. it is like having a revolver pointed at you and being told "dance, buster, this is a 4/4". I really like to dance, but not at gun point
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 10:45 |
BaldJean wrote:
it is the steady beat of hip-hop and rap which gets on my nerves. it is like having a revolver pointed at you and being told "dance, buster, this is a 4/4". I really like to dance, but not at gun point
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I hadn't even thought about that. That's a really good point. And even more true with dance music. And they wonder why I don't like parties...
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heyitsthatguy
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Joined: April 17 2006
Location: Washington Hgts
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Posted: March 08 2008 at 16:18 |
/\ I think its because parties in general suck, though the beat may stab like a maddening metronome of your sanity being siphoned away with each overly bass-ed out pulse
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Novalis
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Joined: April 15 2007
Location: New Zealand
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Points: 338
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 07:43 |
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.
E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 07:46 |
Novalis wrote:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.
E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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Well, what do you like?
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Novalis
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 07:52 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Novalis wrote:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.
E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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Well, what do you like? |
That, my friend, was sarcasm. And I like anything that's in the Top 40 this week. (There I go again.)
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toolis
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Joined: April 26 2006
Location: MacedoniaGreece
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 08:09 |
Novalis wrote:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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see, this may cause a paradox, cause i might like what you like which would make me open minded and didn't like what sby else liked which would make me narrow minded, assuming of course that the word 'you' stands for everyone...
btw, nice greek in your signature, albeit kinda cliche..we have better sayings...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...
-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...
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BaldJean
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Joined: May 28 2005
Location: Germany
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 08:26 |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Novalis
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Location: New Zealand
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Posted: March 09 2008 at 20:32 |
BaldJean wrote:
toolis wrote:
Novalis wrote:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I LIKE, YOU ARE CLOSE MINDED.E N D O F D I S C U S S I O N.
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see, this may cause a paradox, cause i might like what you like which would make me open minded and didn't like what sby else liked which would make me narrow minded, assuming of course that the word 'you' stands for everyone...
btw, nice greek in your signature, albeit kinda cliche..we have better sayings... |
well, but this is the most famous one. it was written above the entry to the oracle of Delphi
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Haha, well actually it doesn't matter what anyone else likes, it only matters what I like. And in a way, I actually do believe that. But the part about you being close minded if you don't like it was, obviously, a joke. And yea, I really do like that quote in it's simplicity. Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote a great poem by the same name.
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MHDTV
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Joined: July 19 2007
Location: United States
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 21:43 |
BaldJean wrote:
it is the steady beat of hip-hop and rap which gets on my nerves. it is like having a revolver pointed at you and being told "dance, buster, this is a 4/4". I really like to dance, but not at gun point
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A large percentage of Rap isn't in 4/4, and has several time sig changes.
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Freak yo' swerve
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 21:49 |
^Examples?
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Dean
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Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 22:10 |
The majority (ie more than 50%) of Rap is in common time, for it to be a "large percentage" it would have to approach 50% - I'd settle for 30% but nothing less than that.
There are some Rap songes in 3/4 and 6/8, but I'd be surprised to see anything in more unusual or irrational meters simply because you cannot dance to it ... (well you can, but it would be like having one leg longer than the other, you'd dance in ever decreasing circles like a haggis on a mountainside).
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What?
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Avantgardehead
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Joined: December 29 2006
Location: Dublin, OH, USA
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Points: 1170
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 23:25 |
My favorite musical things are instrumentation (especially classical and jazz-fusion instrumentation), beautiful melodies, and boldness when it comes to abstract ideas and experimentation. Not aspects you find in rap. Plus, I really don't care about politics or social issues so I get bored while listening to someone ranting about things like that.
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
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Points: 25210
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Posted: March 20 2008 at 23:48 |
Fine, how wanna write some classical/jazz fusion hip-hop with me, with counterpoint, say, in the key of Ab major?
The point is, rap isn't just a concrete term (btw rap is technically a genre of hip-hop). I'm not a big, wouldn't even say a moderate fan of hip-hop at all, but regardless, music is only really limited by an artists imagination. A big reason I'm not a fan of the vast majority of hip-hip, is that it is incredibly samey, and obviously, the vast majority of hip hop artist aren't going to be as educated in music as say, someone like me, who can read music, or the average classical musician, so as a result, they are really limited in what they can do musically. To lump all rap into something that is totally lacking in experimentation is not overly fair IMO, as anyone with a great imagination and knowledge of music could probably make something out of hip hop way beyond the average 'commercial radio' hip hop.
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