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StyLaZyn ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
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Having 15 plus years of Roman Catholic teaching (parochial school and mass 2-3 times a week), I was always taught that Hell is in fact not a place where souls are tormented by fire, but a state of the soul that suffers being alone for eternity. Hell was described as the absence of God.
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StyLaZyn ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
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I can appreciate the humor here. I wneed to point something out though. This illustrates the problem of improper communication. How? I happen to like BG quite a bit. Much more so over Tales and CTTE.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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The problem of the media, is that many journalists believe they know everything and talk about things they don't knoiw a word.
A soccer narrator said on national TV during the Euro 2004 that Greece is called the Hellenic Country because of the Queen Helen of Troy.
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The same happens here, a guy who doesn't know a word about Theology, reads a complex Pontificial Document and of course he doesn't understands it, but still he says an aberration, because a Pope contradicting the previous one is always news, even if this statement is false.
Iván
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Salvo_ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 27 2008 Status: Offline Points: 110 |
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JPII was pope in 1999, so I assume that's right. As far as I can tell, they are referring to a statement in which he said that Hell is not a physical place (which is correct). What Benedict said does not contradict it, he's only saying that Christianity has lost focus on Hell (which is also true), and they should remember that it's a real place.
You're just being subjected to extremely poor journalism, which is common on religious matters or really anything that has a degree of subtlety. The media is kind of retarded.
Oh, Ivan already got it. Oh well. Edited by Salvo_ - March 17 2008 at 23:45 |
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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I agree that homosexuality is not a choice. I find the Church is way too at odds with itself and it is discrimination like this that slows down the advancement of society IMO.
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Petrovsk Mizinski ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
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LMAO!
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Sorry Cuncuna, the magazine is talking BS, they misunderstood what John Paull II said in 1999:
What John Paul II explained is not that hell is a place with fire, tortures and a guy in red pijamas, he explained that the nature of hell is remaining self excluded for eternity from God.
John Paul II also said that hell is not a punishment imposed by God, but a self-decided fate.
But no Pope has ever said hell doesn't exist, magazines write nonsense without verification, this is how sects and cults are created, people misundserstand a message and considers it his truth.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - March 18 2008 at 00:53 |
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1800iareyay ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: November 18 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2492 |
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Just don't get him angry. You wouldn't like him when he's angry. |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Big Generator = 3/5 stars
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cuncuna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
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Is it ok if I say "¡¡¡YOU ARE THE 'BIG GENERATOR' OF HUMANITY!!!" to someone?... I mean, it is not obscene or anything, but sure it'll hurt... |
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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cuncuna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
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¿How exactly can one do that anyway?. I just can turn right or left...
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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the pope turns green?... better than the Dark Side I guess.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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cuncuna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
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In fact:
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/346354/0/papa/benedicto/infierno/ You'll need an online translation, but there you have it: "Pope Benedict (number) contradicts Juan Pablo II (I don't know if John Paul II is the right translation) and says hell do exist". And some more stuff about it that will probably come out as a Jonh anderson lyric from the online translation. You are welcome. According to the article (and some more), the "hell doesn't exist" statement is from 1999. So my memory doesn't suck that much (a memory from almost 10 years back, and from something I don't particulary care and I ust heard on TV while probably electrocuting myself with some house made Van der Graaf Generator). Hurray me... Edited by cuncuna - March 17 2008 at 14:33 |
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cuncuna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
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I can't travel back in time to show you a specific segment of the news of my country. Truth is, I didn't paid much attention to it back then either, but I do remember it since it was some sort of ¿what? moment for me. As much as the new one saying "no, no, it does exist". Don't worry, I'll find it for you. |
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Salvo_ ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 27 2008 Status: Offline Points: 110 |
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T, I read your shock as implying that you can't believe someone would be so dumb/ignorant, but if that's not what you meant, then I accept it as a miscommunication.
cuncuna, I'm still waiting for you to show me where a Pope said Hell does not exist.
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StyLaZyn ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
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Awesome! I am a believer that homosexuality is not a choice in most cases. Religion/Church can't change what a person is when they are born. And they attempt to strip away any true happiness that person might find with another human being which happens to be of the same sex. That is a sin, to me, and committed by a Church that makes up sins as they see fit. It is hypocritical in my eyes.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Edited by The T - March 14 2008 at 15:19 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Salvo was not talking about the Baptists in general, who are a very respectable religion, he was talking about the Westboro Baptist Church, AND NO THEY ARE NOT IDIOTS, THEY ARE THE WORST KIND OF BIGOTS YOU CAN FIND, AN IDIOT IS NOT GUILTY BECAUSE OF HIS/HER LACK OF INTELLIGENCE, BUT A NORMAL PERSON WHO HAS THIS IN HIS PAGE AS THEIR BANNER, IS WORST THAN AN IDIOT:
I ask the pardon of the members for this symbolls and messages, I'm not supporting them, just quoting part of their website to prove what kind of people they are.
The Westboro Baptist Church is an anti Homosexual and Anti USA cult (No Church can be so radical), no Church has the right to step over the flag of any country.
Hate is their ideology, this are sites recommended by them, all trash, God doesn't hate, BIGOTS HATE.:
The Catholic Church keeps an anti-HOMOSEXUALITY policy, but this idiot called Fred Phelps from Topeka Kansas hates Homosexuals, he would kill them if he could.
This is the position of the Catholic Church:
I don't agree with the position of the Church, but is a moderate one, the CC is against any form of intercourse not oriented towards procreation, this includes homosexuality, sex outside the marriage, and artificial methods to prevent conception; but the Catholic Church doesnt hate homosexuals.
So I agree with Salvo but not with the adjective, is too soft for this kind of people who believe God is hate.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - March 14 2008 at 13:49 |
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jimmy_row ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 11 2007 Location: Hibernation Status: Offline Points: 2601 |
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^ it IS an interesting point; actually my family is probably sick of hearing it from me
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Signature Writers Guild on strike
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GoldenSpiral ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3839 |
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Simultaneous religion and environmental discussion! This thread delivers!
Perhaps this topic can tie the two together again: I've seen it discussed before, and it's kind of interesting...
Do you think that because of the Christian idea of Heaven and Rapture (i.e. the notion that someday soon we'll all be instantly whisked off to a better place than earth), western civilization has cared less about the environment? That is to say, since the christians, who have held power throughout western history and through the industrial revolution, will be all raptured away to heaven, leaving the earth to satan and his slaves, western people haven't been good stewards of the earth?
That sentence is all kinds of comma-spliced, but I think you get the point...
I don't necessarily agree, but it's an interesting point.
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