What does Dream Theater need ?

The T wrote: alanerc wrote: -For God sake CHANGE THEIR SOUND FOR ONCE -Put another producer -Don't try to say "I'm so f**kin good" in every solo of every song -try somethin dofferent, I dunno, Prog salsa or something it works with porcupine tree (trying diffeent genres in each album) maybe it ould work with DT   - Bands don't "change their sound" that radically anyway... When I hear the first five Genesis albums, I see minor changes but the band still sounds like the same band... The same here... Actually, few bands really change that much from album to album... - Many people dislike DT for over-production. I don't think another producer might change anything. The band's decision are mostly Portnoy's and Petrucci's. Like it should be in non-commercial music, the nband makes the decisions. The producer just adds to the equation. - I don't think they're trying to say "I'm so f**king good". I think they're trying to say "we f**king love to play this style that for many people sounds like if we're saying we're so f**king good and guess what, we are, and we f**king love to play like this and our fans love this style of f**king goodness" - Very funny.   Porcupine Tree plays kind of Pink-Floydish in their first albums and more metallic in their last ones... I have them all by the way.. from Sunday to FOABP... and even if the styles are not really that similar (they've changed a little more than DT, i give you that), they still sound like the same band. Because that's what they are (or Wilson is, as he's the mastermind).   Just giving an opinion. And elaborating why I said this. DT doesn't need to change anything for the people that love DT's music, as PorcupineTree's fans prefer them to sound like PT, or Tool's fans love Tool when it sounds like Tool... Of course, trying to convince Magma fans of DT is more difficult.. but then again, why should DT try to get people that don't like them? It's not their mission to be universallly loved (no band's it is) and actually they would even generate more hate if more people loved them.   Try not getting angry because some fanboy is driving you crazy with his/her love for DT and listen what you like.

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thanks for the opinion, well that's your opinion and that was mine, I respect that
ut I really think that they should try to change a little bit, I mean, maybe the way KC changed from In the court... to Discipline, yo know what I mean?

that's all

WaywardSon wrote: Maybe what Dream Theater needs, is some real competition!!

Luckily, no one ever talks about Dream Theater on Metal-Archives! 

-For God sake CHANGE THEIR SOUND FOR ONCE
-Put another producer
-Don't try to say "I'm so f**kin good" in every solo of every song
-try somethin dofferent, I dunno, Prog salsa or something

it works with porcupine tree (trying diffeent genres in each album)
maybe it ould work with DT

Maybe what Dream Theater needs, is some real competition!!

Edited by WaywardSon - March 02 2008 at 23:07

WideAngleWatcher wrote: The people who claim Dream Theater don't have any emotion I'm totally baffled by. Have these people heard anything beyond Pull Me Under? I would guess not.

This falls under the subjectivity of the listening experience. Again, nobody's mind works exactly alike, so while someone may hear something incredible/emotional, someone else may be completely bored.

So there's really no definitive answer for the emotionality of Dream Theater unless we devise a way to objectively measure and quantify emotion.

I think this thread should be killed. DT's my favorite band..people say Dream Theater sucks all the time around here, I respect their opinion, but at the same time I disregard it. If someone likes Dream Theater it doesn't mean that I can't relate with them musically in some other way..like maybe they hate DT but they love Jethro Tull...I like both so I can talk to them about Tull and just not bring up DT, fully aware that I know they don't like them. People need to mellow out and not take people's opinions to heart

It doesn't have anything to do with popularity or fanbase (for me at least), my quarrel is with the actual music.

Not having read all 12 pages of posts, here's my take on the question
THEY NEED MORE HARDCORE FANBOYS ! Actually no ... the anti DT squad needs to get a life and accept that a prog group that they abhor has managed to attain a certain level of success, & maintain it over more than a decade without becoming a parody of themselves.
Does anyone here take offense to Roine Stolt's ability to keep his fanbase ? Should anybody feel angry that Peter Gabriel still has a very dedicated following ? Aren't there a good number of progheads that become giddy at the prospect of a new Robert Fripp/King Crimson work ? Did PA denizens notice the anticipation that preceded Snakes & Arrows from Rush ?
Any group outside the so-called mainstream (which seems to become more & more restrictive in its' variety) that can keep a dedicated following AND also keep putting out new music that that following appreciates is doing something right. At least for their fans. And that has to mean  a little in these days where most acts, proggers included barely manage a 5 year career with one or two albums.
So what does DT need ? A break from the unjustified hated from people who should be told to instead use their time more wisely by listening to the music they like. Medically speaking, it's a whole lot better for your health !!!???

they should chill out and listen to some jazz, man. or funk. they seriously gotta chill out. i think they've done what they can with the genre of metal (same with any metal band). and Rudess has got to be more soulful, pleeease