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Visitor13 
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VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
 Posted: February 17 2008 at 16:09 |
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How is Montenegro doing, by the way? They've been independent from Serbia for some time now, and bloodshed was avoided (at least I think so, I rarely watch the news).
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: February 17 2008 at 18:08 |
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It's basically unanimous among Kosovoans (?) to become independent, so why not? Why would they have to get permission from their overlord (Serbia) to do so? Does that make sense? And Why should the EU even factor into it? If some section of Canada wanted to secede, would NAFTA have to approve?
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Hirgwath
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Joined: July 16 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 262 |
Posted: February 17 2008 at 21:33 |
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NATO (the major EU powers and America) factors into it because it backs Kosovo, while Russia (and some of its former satellite states) backs Serbia. I'm starting to get worried about a new Cold War-esque era. |
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Skwisgaar Skwigelf: taller than a tree. Toki Wartooth: not a bumblebee. |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20351 |
Posted: February 18 2008 at 05:46 |
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Moravia (capital is Brno) is a province of Czeckia, not Slovakia.
I would say that most countries not recognizing Kosovo are mopre afraid of sparking another conflict with Serbia as aneighbour or having their encumbrant p^rotector Russia on their backs.
As for EU, it does have its say, because it wants peace in the region, and one of the manner to achieve it is to integrate all these countries in the midlong term.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Jim Garten
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Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
Posted: February 18 2008 at 07:25 |
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The whole Serbian/Kosovan/Albanian situation is one which bears close scrutiny for the forseeable future; I'm sure we all remember the ethnic cleansing in the 1990s which fractured the former Yugoslavia; feelings are still running high in that area of Europe, especially among Serbians, who view Kosovan independance with angry & hungry eyes.
Evidently, I'm not the only one a tad worried, as just under 1,000 UK soldiers are currently on high alert in case of ethnic unrest/violence. A worrying time again for Europe...
This is a whole different can of worms... the fracturing of the Irish state into Eire (ie Southern Irish Republic) and the seven counties which constitute Northern Ireland led to decades of civil unrest, violence & resentment toward the British Government; this has only recently settled down, but I suspect only temporarily... |
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Visitor13
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VIP Member Joined: February 02 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 4702 |
Posted: February 19 2008 at 06:47 |
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  so much for my supposed familiarity with the region... |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21319 |
Posted: February 19 2008 at 07:30 |
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You don't have the right to found a separate country on the soil of another country without the consent of that country ... no matter if you're a single person, a small community or several million people. If this was possible, we would soon have hundreds of thousands of independent countries all over the world ... What should be done instead is to enforce human rights in those countries. |
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: February 19 2008 at 10:48 |
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^ Well, yeah, but don't you think their reason is one of the best out there?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21319 |
Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:41 |
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^ I sympatize with them ... I just think that there are other, better solutions for their problem. If they get their own country then dozens of minorities all over Europe will demand the same - the Basks in Spain for example.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - February 19 2008 at 11:42 |
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aapatsos
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226 |
Posted: February 23 2008 at 10:26 |
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I totally agree with Mike's point here. You have to remember that this is Serbian ground (I believe this is a fact). After the bombing of 1999 the majority of Serbs left the Kossovo area for northern parts of Serbia. At that time the ratio between Albanians and Serbs was not 8/1 as it is right now. You have to take a look behind all this situation. The Kossovo Prime Minister was a founder member of UCK, for those who are familiar with the Balkan affairs. Bombings played their part in this continuous partition... You see smaller states are more easily controlled... |
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Atkingani
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Posted: February 23 2008 at 14:59 |
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It's very interesting to see some powers encouraging the creation of an artifical nation (Kosovo) while in the past these same powers did everything to finish with a legitimate one (East Timor).
Well, since they lost their cause in Timor, I'm quite sure they'll lose in Kosovo too... this "nation" will revert to Serbia sooner or later IMO.
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Forgotten Son
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Joined: March 13 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1356 |
Posted: February 24 2008 at 09:30 |
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Not entirely, no. Remember that while Serbia has committed shocking attrocities in Kosovo, Kosovans have done the same to Serb and other minorities in Kosovo. |
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: February 24 2008 at 11:49 |
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That is worrying me too. This is most likely sabre rattling on the Russians part, but their position is clear. Somehow this story managed to elude our prime time news over here. Russians ready to use force over Kosovo |
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Raff
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: February 24 2008 at 14:58 |
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As far as I know, Russia backs Serbia for a very simple reason - they don't want Kosovo to set a dangerous example for the numerous parts of the Russian Federation that wouldn't be averse to proclaiming their independence as well. This of course doesn't mean that it could not spark off another Cold War - just that this time the premises would be practical rather than ideological.
As for getting permission, it is a much more complicated matter than that. We do have a gang of dangerous nutjobs in Italy who would like to proclaim their independence from the rest of the country (because, according to them, we "Roman thieves" are sucking their blood, i.e. their money  ) - however, if they ever dared to do anything of the sort, Italy would be justified by its Constitution in intervening militarily in order to regain the seceding provinces. I suppose the situation in Serbia is similar, with the added problem of ethnic hatred between Serbians and Kosovans of Albanian descent. |
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Philéas
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Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:17 |
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I don't think Kosovo is ready for independence just yet. Serbia has been acting unpleasantly though.
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markosherrera
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Joined: October 01 2006 Location: World Status: Offline Points: 3252 |
Posted: March 07 2008 at 14:55 |
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Chavez saids that he dont recognize Kosovo...he has the interest of be friend of Russia,China..etc and for say the contrary of USA...
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