No Offense, But Why...

chamberry wrote: YesGoblin wrote: the acutal music part is all programmed with drum machines and fake music And? There are alot of music genre who's music is based on drum machine and beats and that doesn't make it any less artistic.

1. Sample the melody
2. Sample the vocals
3. Add drum machines that are programed to boost a a loud but low range chord over and over.
4. I you are lucky they will add a couple instruments, but of course programmed by a computer.

So the difference is obvious....Where is the creativity in the second case?

Did I get here to late? Is anyone still interested?
I love late 80s hip-hop and mid-90s trip-hop, very creative music!!!
Some favorites include Public Enemy, EPMD, Eric B and Rakim, Ice T, Depth Charge, Jonah Sharpe and NWA.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: MHDTV wrote: Holy f**k, I was commenting on the current state of prog, not in general.   That's not thecurrent state of Prog, I insist your knowledge of new Prog bands sounds very  limited.   I joined the forums after all.   Good for that, I'm sure you'll enjoy the new tendencies   Stop making a big deal out of the prog-pop comment. It's irrevelant.   Don't worry about that, I don't even believe such thing as Pop Prog exists, but others do, and they don't deserve to read it sucks without at least a coherent argument.   When I say 'prog is stale', I don't mean universally. I mean most of it is recycled crap.   False again, seems you haven't heard new Prog, for your list the only remotely modern band  you heard is Radiohead.   BTW: Please, stop calling CRAP to the music we like, there are bands that sound as in the 70's and most of us believe are great, you come hear to say that our favorite music is crap and you call us close mnded?   I lobve Shadow Circus and Magenta, both are rooted in the 70's, how you call them crap and ask tolerance for Hip Hop?    I fail to see how any kind of Hip-Hop is killing music. I mean, what does it matter if 50 Cent tops the charts, it's not hurting anyone, it doesn't stop people from making good music.   I doi believe it hurts, lowers the standards and the qualitry of music, people are less receptive to more elaborate music.   But, everybody is entitled to his/her taste.   Iván

1. Just drop this argument, once again, it has no relevance.
2. I've heard quite a few modern prog bands, and I think the majority of them aren't the least bit original. I'm calling all the music you like crap, far from it, I've only commented on modern prog bands, and I haven't said they're all bad. I said I think most of them are just recycling what they grew up listening.
3. Hip Hop can be as elaborate or simplistic as the maker wants. It can be a mix of psychedelia, Jazz, and Metal, or it can be a pop song with someone rapping over it. Pop music has always been mainly simple, formulaic 3 minute songs. Hip Hop hasn't changed that.

MHDTV wrote: 2. I've heard quite a few modern prog bands, and I think the majority of them aren't the least bit original. I'm calling all the music you like crap, far from it, I've only commented on modern prog bands, and I haven't said they're all bad. I said I think most of them are just recycling what they grew up listening.

So...you're not calling all modern prog bad, just MOST modern prog. I agree, no biggie.

Oh yea and next up is Yes, so get over it, I can like... no love rap. and I can love Prog. Dont call me close minded

Alright, I'll abandon that argument then. I just don't think this was a very good year for prog. I've heard quite a few good albums just not as many as in previous years.
@Proletariat: I never called you close minded.

I'm not interested in doing that. Why? I've heard a good deal of prog from the last few years, and I don't feel the need to justify why I dislike something, and I don't need to musically analyze something to tell if it sounds a bit too much like something else.

^^ we still have no idea what you think "sounds a bit too much like something else".  You have not responded to any of my questions so I must assume that you either have nothing to base your own argument on or that you fear being exposed as wrong.  I believe the answer is a combination of both those fears.  You've put your foot in your mouth and now you'll pretend you like having it there to avoid the embarrassment. Childish.  Step up and put your money where your mouth is.

"it's just I've seen post after post calling rap a 'pollution' and how it's 'killing music', or people saying that it's flat-out not music."

I've been on this site for over two years and have never seen even one single post saying any of these things.  Show me the posts you're talking about that make you think that "us progheads" think this way.

Where is the answer to this question I asked you?  You have not responded (and continue to not respond) in any way at all.


Edited by Trademark - February 19 2008 at 23:06

I think the analogy was strikingly appropriate.  I call them like I see them.  Sorry if it bothered you.

I don't do reviews.  The reviews are not something I have any real interest in.  I threw in a couple of ratings once in the midst of a debate over whether or not the top 50 could be unfairly influenced by ratings without reviews.  I'd remove them but I haven't bothered to figure out how to do so.

Edited by Trademark - February 19 2008 at 23:20

The question has nothing to do with good or bad.  It had to do with what was (or is) Stale, Recycled Crap, and that is quite easy to determine through careful analysis but apparently you have no examples so...


Edited by Trademark - February 19 2008 at 23:28