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    Posted: February 18 2008 at 22:53
OK....Here's a topic for those who love their vinyls.
 
Recently, I was checking out some items on Ebay, just to pass the time.
For the heck of it, I was looking at turntables and noticed that they had alot that
had usb connections to them.  So I started to wonder as to how many people from PA -who had alot of records- would convert all of their albums to MP3's.
 
 Would you convert them?  Or even just the hard to finds (like a type of security, so that if something should happen)?
 
I know something like this would be very time consuming.  But i'm just curious as to how many people would.
 
Thanks for your time and responses Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2008 at 23:19
I have one of those USB turntables, and believe me, it can be a hassle. Not only do you have to wait for the entire LP to copy, but then you have to check how many clicks and skips made it onto your digital recording. If you're a perfectionist, you'll re-record the problem areas and edit them. But that takes time. As does converting the stuff from .wav to .mp3/.wma and tagging it. It's an extremely time-consuming task, I'll say that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:13
I have 3500 vinyl albums. I have converted most of my albums to cd format through an old tube stereo and a cd burner connected to that stereo.  There is no comparison between the fidelity of old tubes verses transistors.  I do not have to use my computer to make the transition from vinyl to cd.  I still do not like the fact that I am putting a round note in a square hole.  Today's dolby stereos sound crappy because most of the sounds that come from them are bass and high end sounds.  In prog music there is a mid range of sounds that you cannot hear clearly through these new stereos.  Transistors stereos have to be replaced because their sound degrades quickly in time.  Tube stereos are like wine they get better with age.Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:14
Isn't it against the rules to talk about stuff like this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:22
I don't think so. If the records were legally bought by the owners, they have all the right to convert them to mp3 any way they see fit.
 
If the files are turned into mp3 and then shared over the internet, then it may be against the rules.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:30
sounds interesting. how much would something like this cost? i only have around 15-20 albums on vinyl but it would be worth it to put them on my iPod. or maybe not?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:55
just buy the CD
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 02:03
Originally posted by everyone everyone wrote:

I have 3500 vinyl albums. I have converted most of my albums to cd format through an old tube stereo and a cd burner connected to that stereo.  There is no comparison between the fidelity of old tubes verses transistors.  I do not have to use my computer to make the transition from vinyl to cd.  I still do not like the fact that I am putting a round note in a square hole.  Today's dolby stereos sound crappy because most of the sounds that come from them are bass and high end sounds.  In prog music there is a mid range of sounds that you cannot hear clearly through these new stereos.  Transistors stereos have to be replaced because their sound degrades quickly in time.  Tube stereos are like wine they get better with age.Smile


Actually it's tubes which degrade with time ... maybe the added distortion sounds pleasant to your ears, but it's a degradation nonetheless. Transistor based systems don't degrade at all with time, they may simply break at one point and need to be replaced, but usually they last about 10x longer than tubes.

And as for the difference of using an USB turntable compared to using a hi-fi CD recorder: There is none, at least not as far as analog/digital conversion is concerned. The "square holes" (as you put it) are on the CD, and no matter what fancy equipment you use - in the end your analog signal will be digitized when stored on a CD. And even if you use a tube amp - the amplification is not used anyway, the signal is just routed from the turntable to the recorder.Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 10:07
Originally posted by keiser willhelm keiser willhelm wrote:

sounds interesting. how much would something like this cost? i only have around 15-20 albums on vinyl but it would be worth it to put them on my iPod. or maybe not?
I have about 30 vinyls myself, and recently bought a nice USB turntable that I found for $130 (if you do enough research online, you can find one for a pretty good price). It's also a good incentive to get more vinyls that I can find easier at a used book store than the same "rare" recordings on CD.
The only downside so far is the time-consuming factor, including having to let the record play out each time you record. You also have to stop the recording and make a new one each time you want to separate into "tracks", which doesn't work very well for those albums that "flow" (resulting usually in one track per LP side).
And for anyone who's looking to buy one, I'd recommend NOT getting it at a place like Sharper Image, because the kind they have has a plastic plate instead of a metal one, and it apparently gets warped fairly easily/quickly.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:45
I've been burning from my own vinyl to digital format  for over a decade, in particular to have the music in a convenient format for my various Walkmans. More recently I've burnt directly from vinyl to either audio CD burner or MD recorder - the latter does permit the chance to edit out between-track crackle, hiss and pop - having gone through this editing the content sof the MD can be transferred onto CD. From CD it goes onto a hard drive and treated using audio software, to edit in tracks, remove surface noise, then get re-equalised and then typically a 3db boost, to give the resulting CD a play back level close to modern manufactured pre-recorded musical CDs.
 
I agree if (and this can be very big if) the CD of the LP is available, then I may  purchase (this process is time consuming) - but there are still a lot of obscure records that never made it beyond LP (and 8 track!!!). Suntreader's first LP  (precursor to Brand X) came through such treatment sounding pretty good as did Gypsy's American Gypsy. However, some LPs purchased from a radio station which had not faired too well (wrt to handling) seemed to have lost their top ends, e.g.  three Stomu Yamash'Ta albums. Top end loss is also a particular problem with LPs with 20 minutes or more a side, because of audio clipping.
 
 
 And then there are those albums which have had 30 years wait between LP and CD release, e.g. Jan Hammer Group's Oh Yeah? and Don Ellis's Live at Fillmore - do we have to wait so long? (BTW there is a thread buried in PA on LP recordings still awaiting CD issue).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:51
If you live in the U.S., Canada, U.K. or Germany you can also use the Napster flatrate. Many old recordings are available there, including the Don Ellis album you mentioned. One other benefit of this approach is that you get access to the remastered / extended versions of the albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:59
I have a collection of around 300 LPs, but I don't consider transferring them to CD/digital format. You just can't capture the warmth of true analog sound, so it's not really worth it. And it's very time consuming as well. I would probably only transfer vinyl to CD if it was unattainable on CD/digital format, such as the mono version of Sgt. Pepper's or obscurities such as Alphataurus.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 12:15
If you can run an audio line out of your amp to your computer, there's a program called Audio Cleaning Lab, that will clean up the scratches, etc. and you can then make a CD from it with the basic version.  Then you can make MP3's from that.  That's your cheapest option that I can recommend.  No new turntable required.
 
I've CD'd several of my LP's that weren't and still aren't available on CD yet.  Later when I got a digital music player.  I made digital music files from those CDs.
 
If you want to go direct to MP3 format you have to purchase a more expensive upgrade version. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:11
Yea I use Creative MediaSource and the "Line-In" to record my vinyl to mp3. It is very time consuming, but I just have to remember to record every time I play a vinyl I haven't yet recorded. People (old people especially) are blown away when they see that ~40% of the music that is on my Microsoft Zune is from vinyl.

It's also alot more economical... there's a a record store close to me that sells Jazz and Rock for $1 a vinyl (and $ 0.50 when you buy more than 50Smile). I'm saving about $5 an album, assuming that I would've bought the cd used from Amazon or something.

I have about 300 records, so I bet I've saved somewhere around $1200 by buying vinyl.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:15
Originally posted by maups2 maups2 wrote:

You just can't capture the warmth of true analog sound


Ughh, I knew it was only a matter of time until something like that gets said on a thread concerning vinyl.Ermm

LOL, sometimes a I have to turn on the A/C when playing vinyl; the analog sound is just so WAAARRRMMM!LOLLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:26
^ you could play vinyl and CD alternatingly, maybe it has the same effect as a contrast shower. Finally listening to music can effectively improve your health!Clown
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:27
Why would anyone want to do this ?Confused you guys try to find ways to make music sound better when all you are doing is rearranging the sound composition. Man, some people are never satisfied. Gotta make it better. Gotta make it newer. Christ, I love my vinyl collection and still go out of my way to get more or replace some of the older stuff that has worn out. Don`t understand.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:38
^ it's not about making the music better, it's about making it more accessible and preserving it. You can't listen to vinyls on the bus or in your car, and even if you listen to them at home each listen degrades the vinyl ... ripping them to the computer enables me to listen to them whenever I want without destroying them in the process.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 14:53
Why do people want to block out their thoughts with music 24 hours a day ? On the bus. In the car. Walking down the street. Skiing. This is something I never really got either. Walkmans and discmans and now MP3s. Ear drums are very fragile. With  these plug in headphones are bloody dangerous. I dunno.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:12
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Why do people want to block out their thoughts with music 24 hours a day ? On the bus. In the car. Walking down the street. Skiing. This is something I never really got either. Walkmans and discmans and now MP3s. Ear drums are very fragile. With  these plug in headphones are bloody dangerous. I dunno.
Count me amongt the group that really enjoys having my entire CD collection and some of my vinyls on my portable player.  Music doesn't really block out my thoughts and at best I listen to music 16 hours a day.  There are sometimes you do just have to put down the music.  I've been stuck in the hospital since Wednesday and if it weren't for my portable player and now that I found this place has wi-fi, internet access, I'd be going out of my mind if I haven't already.
 
As I was laying on my hospital bed listening to my huge collection on shuffle (like having my own prog radio station) and conteplating the side issues raised by Vibrationbaby, I was thinking there's nothing wrong with being a bit of a Luddite regarding the new technologies,  It really doesn't matter how you enjoy your music as long as you do.  There is a point the his disparagement of the ear bud type headphones.  I have yet to find a decent set including the ones that come with the players until it tried the Sony MDR-ED21LP.  Most of them are comfortable only if you are a mannequin and all have miserable bass response, which no doubt leads to people cranking the volume up to ear damaging levels.
 
I should also put in a good word for the Zune player.  It's my third and when I got my first, I thought it would only be a novelty that would allow me to avoid having to spend too much time picking out which CDs to bring along whenever I went on trips.


Edited by Slartibartfast - February 19 2008 at 16:58
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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