Vinyls to MP3?
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Topic: Vinyls to MP3?
Posted By: ironpagan67
Subject: Vinyls to MP3?
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 22:53
OK....Here's a topic for those who love their vinyls.
Recently, I was checking out some items on Ebay, just to pass the time.
For the heck of it, I was looking at turntables and noticed that they had alot that
had usb connections to them. So I started to wonder as to how many people from PA -who had alot of records- would convert all of their albums to MP3's.
Would you convert them? Or even just the hard to finds (like a type of security, so that if something should happen)?
I know something like this would be very time consuming. But i'm just curious as to how many people would.
Thanks for your time and responses
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 18 2008 at 23:19
I have one of those USB turntables, and believe me, it can be a hassle. Not only do you have to wait for the entire LP to copy, but then you have to check how many clicks and skips made it onto your digital recording. If you're a perfectionist, you'll re-record the problem areas and edit them. But that takes time. As does converting the stuff from .wav to .mp3/.wma and tagging it. It's an extremely time-consuming task, I'll say that.
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Posted By: everyone
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:13
I have 3500 vinyl albums. I have converted most of my albums to cd format through an old tube stereo and a cd burner connected to that stereo. There is no comparison between the fidelity of old tubes verses transistors. I do not have to use my computer to make the transition from vinyl to cd. I still do not like the fact that I am putting a round note in a square hole. Today's dolby stereos sound crappy because most of the sounds that come from them are bass and high end sounds. In prog music there is a mid range of sounds that you cannot hear clearly through these new stereos. Transistors stereos have to be replaced because their sound degrades quickly in time. Tube stereos are like wine they get better with age.
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:14
Isn't it against the rules to talk about stuff like this?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:22
I don't think so. If the records were legally bought by the owners, they have all the right to convert them to mp3 any way they see fit.
If the files are turned into mp3 and then shared over the internet, then it may be against the rules.
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:30
sounds interesting. how much would something like this cost? i only have around 15-20 albums on vinyl but it would be worth it to put them on my iPod. or maybe not?
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Posted By: puma
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:55
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 02:03
everyone wrote:
I have 3500 vinyl albums. I have converted most of my albums to cd format through an old tube stereo and a cd burner connected to that stereo. There is no comparison between the fidelity of old tubes verses transistors. I do not have to use my computer to make the transition from vinyl to cd. I still do not like the fact that I am putting a round note in a square hole. Today's dolby stereos sound crappy because most of the sounds that come from them are bass and high end sounds. In prog music there is a mid range of sounds that you cannot hear clearly through these new stereos. Transistors stereos have to be replaced because their sound degrades quickly in time. Tube stereos are like wine they get better with age.
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Actually it's tubes which degrade with time ... maybe the added distortion sounds pleasant to your ears, but it's a degradation nonetheless. Transistor based systems don't degrade at all with time, they may simply break at one point and need to be replaced, but usually they last about 10x longer than tubes.
And as for the difference of using an USB turntable compared to using a hi-fi CD recorder: There is none, at least not as far as analog/digital conversion is concerned. The "square holes" (as you put it) are on the CD, and no matter what fancy equipment you use - in the end your analog signal will be digitized when stored on a CD. And even if you use a tube amp - the amplification is not used anyway, the signal is just routed from the turntable to the recorder.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 10:07
keiser willhelm wrote:
sounds interesting. how much would something like this cost? i only have around 15-20 albums on vinyl but it would be worth it to put them on my iPod. or maybe not? |
I have about 30 vinyls myself, and recently bought a nice USB turntable that I found for $130 (if you do enough research online, you can find one for a pretty good price). It's also a good incentive to get more vinyls that I can find easier at a used book store than the same "rare" recordings on CD.
The only downside so far is the time-consuming factor, including having to let the record play out each time you record. You also have to stop the recording and make a new one each time you want to separate into "tracks", which doesn't work very well for those albums that "flow" (resulting usually in one track per LP side).
And for anyone who's looking to buy one, I'd recommend NOT getting it at a place like Sharper Image, because the kind they have has a plastic plate instead of a metal one, and it apparently gets warped fairly easily/quickly.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:45
I've been burning from my own vinyl to digital format for over a decade, in particular to have the music in a convenient format for my various Walkmans. More recently I've burnt directly from vinyl to either audio CD burner or MD recorder - the latter does permit the chance to edit out between-track crackle, hiss and pop - having gone through this editing the content sof the MD can be transferred onto CD. From CD it goes onto a hard drive and treated using audio software, to edit in tracks, remove surface noise, then get re-equalised and then typically a 3db boost, to give the resulting CD a play back level close to modern manufactured pre-recorded musical CDs.
I agree if (and this can be very big if) the CD of the LP is available, then I may purchase (this process is time consuming) - but there are still a lot of obscure records that never made it beyond LP (and 8 track!!!). Suntreader's first LP (precursor to Brand X) came through such treatment sounding pretty good as did Gypsy's American Gypsy. However, some LPs purchased from a radio station which had not faired too well (wrt to handling) seemed to have lost their top ends, e.g. three Stomu Yamash'Ta albums. Top end loss is also a particular problem with LPs with 20 minutes or more a side, because of audio clipping.
And then there are those albums which have had 30 years wait between LP and CD release, e.g. Jan Hammer Group's Oh Yeah? and Don Ellis's Live at Fillmore - do we have to wait so long? (BTW there is a thread buried in PA on LP recordings still awaiting CD issue).
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:51
If you live in the U.S., Canada, U.K. or Germany you can also use the Napster flatrate. Many old recordings are available there, including the Don Ellis album you mentioned. One other benefit of this approach is that you get access to the remastered / extended versions of the albums.
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Posted By: maups2
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 11:59
I have a collection of around 300 LPs, but I don't consider transferring them to CD/digital format. You just can't capture the warmth of true analog sound, so it's not really worth it. And it's very time consuming as well. I would probably only transfer vinyl to CD if it was unattainable on CD/digital format, such as the mono version of Sgt. Pepper's or obscurities such as Alphataurus.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 12:15
If you can run an audio line out of your amp to your computer, there's a program called Audio Cleaning Lab, that will clean up the scratches, etc. and you can then make a CD from it with the basic version. Then you can make MP3's from that. That's your cheapest option that I can recommend. No new turntable required.
I've CD'd several of my LP's that weren't and still aren't available on CD yet. Later when I got a digital music player. I made digital music files from those CDs.
If you want to go direct to MP3 format you have to purchase a more expensive upgrade version.
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:11
Yea I use Creative MediaSource and the "Line-In" to record my vinyl to mp3. It is very time consuming, but I just have to remember to record every time I play a vinyl I haven't yet recorded. People (old people especially) are blown away when they see that ~40% of the music that is on my Microsoft Zune is from vinyl.
It's also alot more economical... there's a a record store close to me that sells Jazz and Rock for $1 a vinyl (and $ 0.50 when you buy more than 50). I'm saving about $5 an album, assuming that I would've bought the cd used from Amazon or something.
I have about 300 records, so I bet I've saved somewhere around $1200 by buying vinyl.
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Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:15
maups2 wrote:
You just can't capture the warmth of true analog sound |
Ughh, I knew it was only a matter of time until something like that gets said on a thread concerning vinyl.
LOL, sometimes a I have to turn on the A/C when playing vinyl; the analog sound is just so WAAARRRMMM!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:26
^ you could play vinyl and CD alternatingly, maybe it has the same effect as a contrast shower. Finally listening to music can effectively improve your health!
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:27
Why would anyone want to do this ? you guys try to find ways to make music sound better when all you are doing is rearranging the sound composition. Man, some people are never satisfied. Gotta make it better. Gotta make it newer. Christ, I love my vinyl collection and still go out of my way to get more or replace some of the older stuff that has worn out. Don`t understand.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 13:38
^ it's not about making the music better, it's about making it more accessible and preserving it. You can't listen to vinyls on the bus or in your car, and even if you listen to them at home each listen degrades the vinyl ... ripping them to the computer enables me to listen to them whenever I want without destroying them in the process.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 14:53
Why do people want to block out their thoughts with music 24 hours a day ? On the bus. In the car. Walking down the street. Skiing. This is something I never really got either. Walkmans and discmans and now MP3s. Ear drums are very fragile. With these plug in headphones are bloody dangerous. I dunno.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:12
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Why do people want to block out their thoughts with music 24 hours a day ? On the bus. In the car. Walking down the street. Skiing. This is something I never really got either. Walkmans and discmans and now MP3s. Ear drums are very fragile. With these plug in headphones are bloody dangerous. I dunno. |
Count me amongt the group that really enjoys having my entire CD collection and some of my vinyls on my portable player. Music doesn't really block out my thoughts and at best I listen to music 16 hours a day. There are sometimes you do just have to put down the music. I've been stuck in the hospital since Wednesday and if it weren't for my portable player and now that I found this place has wi-fi, internet access, I'd be going out of my mind if I haven't already.
As I was laying on my hospital bed listening to my huge collection on shuffle (like having my own prog radio station) and conteplating the side issues raised by Vibrationbaby, I was thinking there's nothing wrong with being a bit of a Luddite regarding the new technologies, It really doesn't matter how you enjoy your music as long as you do. There is a point the his disparagement of the ear bud type headphones. I have yet to find a decent set including the ones that come with the players until it tried the http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/electronics-computers/headphones-12-06/ratings/1206_head_rat.htm#sony - Sony MDR-ED21LP . Most of them are comfortable only if you are a mannequin and all have miserable bass response, which no doubt leads to people cranking the volume up to ear damaging levels.
I should also put in a good word for the Zune player. It's my third and when I got my first, I thought it would only be a novelty that would allow me to avoid having to spend too much time picking out which CDs to bring along whenever I went on trips.
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:14
ClassicRocker wrote:
keiser willhelm wrote:
sounds interesting. how much would something like this cost? i only have around 15-20 albums on vinyl but it would be worth it to put them on my iPod. or maybe not? |
I have about 30 vinyls myself, and recently bought a nice USB turntable that I found for $130 (if you do enough research online, you can find one for a pretty good price). It's also a good incentive to get more vinyls that I can find easier at a used book store than the same "rare" recordings on CD.
The only downside so far is the time-consuming factor, including having to let the record play out each time you record. You also have to stop the recording and make a new one each time you want to separate into "tracks", which doesn't work very well for those albums that "flow" (resulting usually in one track per LP side).
And for anyone who's looking to buy one, I'd recommend NOT getting it at a place like Sharper Image, because the kind they have has a plastic plate instead of a metal one, and it apparently gets warped fairly easily/quickly.
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If you record it as a single track it might faster to edit them apart afterwards using something like garage band. I got The Wall from a friend but with each disc as a single song only. i cleaned it up with garage band and separated all the songs out. didnt take too long. probably shorter than stoping the recording id assume.
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Posted By: ironpagan67
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 19:37
keiser willhelm wrote:
sounds interesting. how much would something like this cost? i only have around 15-20 albums on vinyl but it would be worth it to put them on my iPod. or maybe not? |
I know of a few places close to where I live that will transfer vinyl to cd that charge upto about $50 per album.
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Posted By: ironpagan67
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 19:48
Vibrationbaby wrote:
Why would anyone want to do this ? you guys try to find ways to make music sound better when all you are doing is rearranging the sound composition. Man, some people are never satisfied. Gotta make it better. Gotta make it newer. Christ, I love my vinyl collection and still go out of my way to get more or replace some of the older stuff that has worn out. Don`t understand. |
This is the main reason for my question. Only asking if you would transfer some or all of your albums.
Especially those you might have that are very hard to come by.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 20:33
keiser willhelm wrote:
If you record it as a single track it might faster to edit them apart afterwards using something like garage band. I got The Wall from a friend but with each disc as a single song only. i cleaned it up with garage band and separated all the songs out. didnt take too long. probably shorter than stoping the recording id assume.
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Oh, I haven't heard about that one! Is Garage Band something you can download for free (via CNET) or is it a program you have to purchase?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 20:54
ironpagan67 wrote:
keiser willhelm wrote:
sounds interesting. how much would something like this cost? i only have around 15-20 albums on vinyl but it would be worth it to put them on my iPod. or maybe not? |
I know of a few places close to where I live that will transfer vinyl to cd that charge upto about $50 per album. |
If you've got the capability of getting an audio line to your computer, Audio Cleaning Lab only costs $30 retail for the basic version. PS I have no financial incentive to promote this software, but if the guys at Magix want to send me a new version I wouldn't turn it down.
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Posted By: Rubidium
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 21:00
ClassicRocker wrote:
keiser willhelm wrote:
If you record it as a single track it might faster to edit them apart afterwards using something like garage band. I got The Wall from a friend but with each disc as a single song only. i cleaned it up with garage band and separated all the songs out. didnt take too long. probably shorter than stoping the recording id assume.
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Oh, I haven't heard about that one! Is Garage Band something you can download for free (via CNET) or is it a program you have to purchase?
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I've never tried it, but supposedly you can use Audacity to do it, which you should be able to (legally) download for free.
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Posted By: ironpagan67
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 21:45
Rubidium wrote:
ClassicRocker wrote:
keiser willhelm wrote:
If you record it as a single track it might faster to edit them apart afterwards using something like garage band. I got The Wall from a friend but with each disc as a single song only. i cleaned it up with garage band and separated all the songs out. didnt take too long. probably shorter than stoping the recording id assume.
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Oh, I haven't heard about that one! Is Garage Band something you can download for free (via CNET) or is it a program you have to purchase?
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I've never tried it, but supposedly you can use Audacity to do it, which you should be able to (legally) download for free.
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I have used Audacity many times. Mostly on discs that I made from cassettes. Great little program. And yes, it is a free download.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 21:59
Great! It actually happened to come with my turntable! (I still haven't figured out to use the programs to their fullest extent yet)
By the way, does anybody have both Audacity AND Cakewalk Pyro (5)? If so, which do you find more useful?
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Posted By: Rubidium
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 22:53
I have both but I have only used Cakewalk Pyro, which seems to work well. Splitting your file into separate tracks is as simple as a click of a button. It's also easy to get rid of the silence and hissing before the first track actually begins, so you don't have to synch it up or anything. It's also relatively easy to edit out the annoying repeated parts from when your record decides to skip. If you get lucky you won't even be able to tell that it skipped at all. The Audio Restoration seems to work well, but of course the more pops and clicks you try to eliminate, the worse the quality of the music, so you have to find a good tradeoff.
I assume Audacity will do all the same things, but I haven't actually tried it. Both came with my turntable, and I just assumed the program that would normally not be free would be better, but I could be mistaken.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 19 2008 at 23:20
Cool, thanks for the info
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 00:06
oops, little late seems youve already found an answer. but no garage band isnt free... it came stock on my computer so i have been playing around with it lately, splitting up albums and making some of my own, really horrendous music. Garage band isnt a program known for its quality tho. its just mediocre.
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Posted By: everyone
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 00:38
If you say so.
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Posted By: everyone
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 00:48
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
everyone wrote:
I have 3500 vinyl albums. I have converted most of my albums to cd format through an old tube stereo and a cd burner connected to that stereo. There is no comparison between the fidelity of old tubes verses transistors. I do not have to use my computer to make the transition from vinyl to cd. I still do not like the fact that I am putting a round note in a square hole. Today's dolby stereos sound crappy because most of the sounds that come from them are bass and high end sounds. In prog music there is a mid range of sounds that you cannot hear clearly through these new stereos. Transistors stereos have to be replaced because their sound degrades quickly in time. Tube stereos are like wine they get better with age.
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Actually it's tubes which degrade with time ... maybe the added distortion sounds pleasant to your ears, but it's a degradation nonetheless. Transistor based systems don't degrade at all with time, they may simply break at one point and need to be replaced, but usually they last about 10x longer than tubes.
And as for the difference of using an USB turntable compared to using a hi-fi CD recorder: There is none, at least not as far as analog/digital conversion is concerned. The "square holes" (as you put it) are on the CD, and no matter what fancy equipment you use - in the end your analog signal will be digitized when stored on a CD. And even if you use a tube amp - the amplification is not used anyway, the signal is just routed from the turntable to the recorder.
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If you say so.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 01:07
^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs.
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 17:05
From another thread in Tech Talk, this is what I use to convert LP's to CD...
T.Rox wrote:
I have found a great gadget complete with software for converting my LP's to CD's by creating .wav files directly from an ANALOGUE stereo to the INport "device" and into the computer USB port, bypassing the computer's sound card. It is the Xitel INport Deluxe Stereo to PC Recording Kit, complete with LPRecorder, Wave Corrector and LPRipper software. The whole package does a brilliant job. I do use freeware Audacity to trim the recorded data and save an updated .wav file before using the ripper on it to break up the tracks. After breaking up the tracks I can save as .wav or encode them directly to mp3. The cost was $149.95 AUD, which seems quite reasonable given the quality of the results.
A link to the INport product details: http://www.xitel.com/USA/prod_inportdl.htm - http://www.xitel.com/USA/prod_inportdl.htm
A link to Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ - http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
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I'm really happy with the output from this set up. Still have hundreds of albums to go!
The link to the Tech Talk thread: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42191 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42191
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Posted By: kiwi
Date Posted: February 20 2008 at 23:04
I use the line in option in Music Match to record vinyl from the pre-amp on my stereo. I hammered a lot of my records so there are plenty of scratches. If I close my eyes its like I am in front of a warm open fire!
Unfortunately Music Match was sold to Yahoo and the "improved" upgrade doesn't come with line in recording.
I will check out audacity - any other line in recorders out there?
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 06:38
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
If you live in the U.S., Canada, U.K. or Germany you can also use the Napster flatrate. Many old recordings are available there, including the Don Ellis album you mentioned. One other benefit of this approach is that you get access to the remastered / extended versions of the albums. |
I spent a weekend cleaning up that Don Ellis LP, only to discover (literally) the following Monday that it was due for release the end of that month - I bought the CD issue asap. With 30 years between LP and Cd issues, you might be forgiven thinking after 20 years there won't be a CD - or have tremendous patience.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 08:39
^ most out of print vinyls will be released as downloads only ... it's simply more convenient and cost effective.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 08:45
kiwi wrote:
If I close my eyes its like I am in front of a warm open fire!
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Similar to those arguements used by jazz fans of 78rpm recordings, when the like of Robert Armstrong's ABC clean up recordings got issued in the late 80's. The original recordings will have been made in the best conditions available - it is not as if somebody was present in the studio, rustling paper or any other ways of artifically creating noise to add to the recording - that extraneous noise is picked up after the event.
I've noticed some audio clean-ups of 20's and 30's blues recording, which leave a certain noise which may be the noise of the cutting styllus into the old direct cut discs. And then there were labels with advert of digital tape recordings, who had such quiet surroundings to record music that the music sounded sterile
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 08:49
^ I think that artists using modern digital technology for recording should think about adding atmosphere to the recordings just like movie sound technicians do. This means that silence is recorded separately and added at mastering to give the record a less sterile nature.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 21 2008 at 14:48
Posted By: khammer99
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 16:41
I am going to be all over this! I may have only a hundred or so albums but I would like to be able to take them anywhere I go. Another reason for me to do this, is my mother used to work at RCA, and we have hundreds of albums from the 50 to early 60s, many unopened, that I would love to make portable. My dad also used to own a delivery service that delivered albums to the local record stores, so he would "grab" the latest and bring them home.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 17:56
khammer99 wrote:
I am going to be all over this! I may have only a hundred or so albums but I would like to be able to take them anywhere I go. Another reason for me to do this, is my mother used to work at RCA, and we have hundreds of albums from the 50 to early 60s, many unopened, that I would love to make portable. My dad also used to own a delivery service that delivered albums to the local record stores, so he would "grab" the latest and bring them home.
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AHHH! The collector in me says don't open those!!!
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Posted By: ironpagan67
Date Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:02
ClassicRocker wrote:
khammer99 wrote:
I am going to be all over this! I may have only a hundred or so albums but I would like to be able to take them anywhere I go. Another reason for me to do this, is my mother used to work at RCA, and we have hundreds of albums from the 50 to early 60s, many unopened, that I would love to make portable. My dad also used to own a delivery service that delivered albums to the local record stores, so he would "grab" the latest and bring them home. |
AHHH! The collector in me says don't open those!!!
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I agree with you rocker!
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Posted By: everyone
Date Posted: February 23 2008 at 09:28
The bad thing about shrink wrap...sometimes the wrap does not stop shrinking.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 23 2008 at 16:55
I recently made my first couple of file transfers using Audacity, and I can now say it was worth it. The software came with my turntable, but I started out by converting some cassettes (that my dad had converted from vinyl) to the computer. In a nutshell: great results!
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Posted By: everyone
Date Posted: February 23 2008 at 23:31
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs.
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Being that you know completely nothing about my set-up, keep your trap shut.
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Posted By: khammer99
Date Posted: February 24 2008 at 12:11
And I agree with both of you. Fortunately, they would bring a couple of copies home, and open one, and leave the other unopened. Of course, in our youth, my sister and I used to play frisbee with some of them.
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Posted By: ironpagan67
Date Posted: February 24 2008 at 16:44
Posted By: ironpagan67
Date Posted: February 24 2008 at 17:07
everyone wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs. |
Being that you know completely nothing about my set-up, keep your trap shut.
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It's kinda funny sometimes when a thread veers off track from what the topic is about. Which is no big deal to me. I learn about some new programs or ways of doing things when that happens. And I thank everyone for that. That's what is so great about PA.
But it is rather irritating when someone leaves a comment, or an idea or even something that is fact and someone else makes an ignorant remark in reply (see above^^).
When I started to make this thread, I was originally going to do it as a poll. Begining to think I shoud have.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: February 24 2008 at 19:14
I have converted a few of my LPs to digital format only because the cd was both out of print and unreasonably expensive. However, it was only a few, it took a while and I don't see the need to do it to 3,000 other albums some of which I already have a CD copy of.
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Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: February 24 2008 at 20:21
Over here too. It's painful just thinking about vinyls being abused like that... Where was P.E.T.V. when you needed em?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 03:04
everyone wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs.
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Being that you know completely nothing about my set-up, keep your trap shut.
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Well, let me know if you've invented a completely new kind of tube and amp wiring.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 06:24
On another side note, I just saw on public TV a guy who takes vinyl LPs and makes bowls out of them.
Kind of like this, but his are more ziggurat shaped.
This has got to be some kind of blasphemy for you vinyl purists.
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Posted By: everyone
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 11:33
ironpagan67 wrote:
everyone wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs. |
Being that you know completely nothing about my set-up, keep your trap shut.
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It's kinda funny sometimes when a thread veers off track from what the topic is about. Which is no big deal to me. I learn about some new programs or ways of doing things when that happens. And I thank everyone for that. That's what is so great about PA.
But it is rather irritating when someone leaves a comment, or an idea or even something that is fact and someone else makes an ignorant remark in reply (see above^^).
When I started to make this thread, I was originally going to do it as a poll. Begining to think I shoud have. |
That is the reason that it took me a couple of days to reply. I did not want to stray away from the original thread either but.... I am not going to explain anything to that child.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 11:35
Slartibartfast wrote:
On another side note, I just saw on public TV a guy who takes vinyl LPs and makes bowls out of them.
Kind of like this, but his are more ziggurat shaped.
This has got to be some kind of blasphemy for you vinyl purists.
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As materials engineer by training and profession, I have to say joining the words 'vinyl' and 'purist' is a contradiction - that vinyl is far from pure. Said it before there are far better polymers for the manufacture of LPs: we seem to be stuck with the technology originally used to make 78s in the Edwardian period using materials which date from the mid 50's.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 25 2008 at 19:37
Dick Heath wrote:
As materials engineer by training and profession, I have to say joining the words 'vinyl' and 'purist' is a contradiction - that vinyl is far from pure. Said it before there are far better polymers for the manufacture of LPs: we seem to be stuck with the technology originally used to make 78s in the Edwardian period using materials which date from the mid 50's. |
That (the impurities in the vinyl) must explain why some LPs look really interesting under a blacklight?
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Posted By: everyone
Date Posted: February 26 2008 at 10:58
Posted By: popeyethecat
Date Posted: March 13 2008 at 14:01
I've been a bit wary of converting from vinyl ever since my friend's Dad spent hours doing his records and found upon listening to them that they sped up very gradually...has this been a problem for anyone else?
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: March 21 2008 at 18:43
Slartibartfast wrote:
If you can run an audio line out of your amp to your computer, there's a program called Audio Cleaning Lab, that will clean up the scratches, etc. and you can then make a CD from it with the basic version. Then you can make MP3's from that. That's your cheapest option that I can recommend. No new turntable required.
I've CD'd several of my LP's that weren't and still aren't available on CD yet. Later when I got a digital music player. I made digital music files from those CDs.
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i have used this program many times, it's great - i even used it to make mp3's to send up to PA, check out the " If " tracks!
one interesting thing i found the graphic display very revealing - the vinyl tracks i recorded showed the sonic range almost off the scale, but the CD ones looked flat and narrow - like i always say, vinyl is best!
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: March 25 2008 at 05:13
^I'm not a physicist, but I believe that the reason for the flat sonic range is that CD audio is compressed (with an audio compressor, rather than a file compressor!) so that it sounds pretty much the same no matter what you play it on - so a cheap Taiwan CD player produces a freq range that will keep the kids happy.
Most audio these days is heavily (over) compressed to the point that it noticeably "pumps" - this is an artificial way of bringing an exciting sound to tedious music, and is done during the CD Mastering phase as well as during recording, production and mixdown.
Back O/T, I've been using a Project III USB Turntable - the purists may balk slightly, as it has a built-in pre-amp - but I quite like the crispness it brings to the top end without amplfying pops and crackles.
Fed direct to the PC (ie, no other amplifier colourations) via USB, the sound is pretty close to the vinyl original when recorded @ 192Khz/24-bit.
To do this, I'm using Sony ACID Express (a FREE program), since Audacity doesn't seem to record at this rate (at least, the version I currently have doesn't). I don't bother eliminating pops and clicks - they're there on the vinyl I own, if I really wanted to lose them, I'd buy another, better conditioned copy of the vinyl.
If I was feeling like a purist, I could level off the very top and bottom end of the EQ (no vinyl stores freqs above ~18khz or below ~50hz, TTBOMK, but somehow freqs in those ranges emerge in digital recordings like a kind of audibly undetectable noise) - but again, since I'm merely making a copy I can play without wearing out my precious plastic, the almost unnoticeable colouration can be lived with.
Granted, when you burn it to CD, you necessarily lose sound quality... but when you burn it to DVD-Audio, that's a different story.
There's nothing like owning the original, first pressing run vinyl, especially of classics from the late 1960s to early 1970s, when the sound was best - but 24-bit digital audio doesn't miss much
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: March 25 2008 at 05:34
is the quality really that good that it's worth doing all that?
if it is then... cool!!!
but, what about the whole ritual of taking off the vinyl, holding this whole piece in you hands oh so shiny, putting it on, after the nessecary cleaning, listening to the first scratches and looking at the gatefold, reading the very last credits line etc?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 25 2008 at 08:14
Certif1ed wrote:
Granted, when you burn it to CD, you necessarily lose sound quality... but when you burn it to DVD-Audio, that's a different story. |
Wow, copying a vinyl to DVD-A, I never thought of that. You are in severe danger of making vinyl nut's heads explode.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: March 25 2008 at 08:51
Certif1ed wrote:
^I'm not a physicist, but I believe that the reason for the flat sonic range is that CD audio is compressed (with an audio compressor, rather than a file compressor!) so that it sounds pretty much the same no matter what you play it on - so a cheap Taiwan CD player produces a freq range that will keep the kids happy.
Actually CD audio has a much higher theoretical dynamic range than vinyl. If a recording is compressed then it's the decision of the person who did the mixdown/mastering, and not a technical limitation of the format.
Most audio these days is heavily (over) compressed to the point that it noticeably "pumps" - this is an artificial way of bringing an exciting sound to tedious music, and is done during the CD Mastering phase as well as during recording, production and mixdown.
It's simply an attempt to increase the loudness of the music ... I think that can be useful if done carefully.
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Granted, when you burn it to CD, you necessarily lose sound quality... but when you burn it to DVD-Audio, that's a different story.
The question is whether this difference in resolution is actually audible.
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