No Offense, But Why...

So sampling Trip-Hop. Sounds interesting.

Holy f**k, I was commenting on the current state of prog, not in general. I joined the forums after all. Stop making a big deal out of the prog-pop comment. It's irrevelant. When I say 'prog is stale', I don't mean universally. I mean most of it is recycled crap. I fail to see how any kind of Hip-Hop is killing music. I mean, what does it matter if 50 Cent tops the charts, it's not hurting anyone, it doesn't stop people from making good music.

"When I say 'prog is stale', I don't mean universally. I mean most of it is recycled crap."  I guess rap does not recycle anything.  Rap groups have been sampling music from artists from the 60's and 70's since the early 80's.  That is recycling every note and beat.  The current prog groups might "sound" recycled but the music is original.  Take the lyrics away from rap lyricists like the Beasties and De La Soul and there is no difference in the music there, because they take their samples from the same artists note for note.  Being that very few rap artist compose the actual music .  Listen to Maceo and the Macks and the J. B.'s and you can hear my point.  I can tell a difference between the Flower Kings and Yes.

Dr Visitor says:

Close-mindedness against rap is just an expression of the repressed knowledge that prog is to classical what rap is to prog

Seriously now, been meaning to check out more rap for ages now, but kept forgetting.

Heard a Madvillain song the other day, it was fun  ! Seriously, some of these guys can write CRAZY lyrics, I even tried rapping along, it's refreshing.  

MHDTV wrote: ...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop?

Question: Are you "open-mouthed" to things which you hate to taste / eat ?

Re-worded:  i don't open my mouth to anything / everything, why open my (or your) mind to anything / everything ?

As far as food goes, most people are selective about what they eat.
Does that make then "closed-mouthed" ?










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Edited by Utah Man - February 19 2008 at 20:36

When one doesn't like a general style that doesn't mean one is close minded.

Rocktopus wrote: MHDTV wrote: 2. A lack of knowledge of modern prog? Because I think it's mainly a bunch of rehashes of the band mebers 70's idols, I lack knowledge of modern prog? Yes, spot on.

Don't forget a lot of it also rehashes of the avant prog! A lot of bands are original, but of all the modern bands we have here, very very few are a whiff of fresh air. In my experience that is.

well said Trademark

I can remember when hip hop first crawled out from america and landed over here.It was a novilty at first,and I did listen to a lot of it.Found it quite funny when uk pop artists and rock artists started to jump on the bandwaggon. But the problem with it for me is that we are constantly bombarded by it through TV,radio,HELL even the young people living down my street blast it out of the windows,so no excape.Even my brother used to blast it out of his room,or play it as loud as he could downstairs with his mates in tow.So you see I have been educated in it,and am still being educated in it.Problem is after this amount of time could say I am pretty fed up with it and all of its many forms.

YesGoblin wrote: the fact that 50cent is topping the charts pretty much tells us that the music industry has gone down hill, think of it, he's just singing ( if you can call it that), they can barely do live preformances, and when they do its all about the visuals to cover up the lack of musicality the acutal music part is all programmed with drum machines and fake music

how is this any different than Britney Spears or Backstreet Boys?