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MHDTV 
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 Posted: February 18 2008 at 01:56 |
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Is he? The video or the actual song? Didn't know that. Still funny though.
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Freak yo' swerve
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KoS
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 06:34 |
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Personally, I'm not a big fan of hip-hop, but I'm not 100 per cent averse to it either. I own all of Rage Against The Machine's albums, which is a band to me that incorporates hip hop in a very listenable way, IMO.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 06:58 |
I'm not closed minded about rap. I've been subjected to hip hop for over a decade. After having been bomdarded with Run DMC, Public Enemy, Ice T, NWA, Dre, Gangstar etc etc.. I can honestly say I've given it a fair go, and still think it's awful. There is nothing there to appeal to me.
When I'm told by my friends that liking prog is pretentious, I point out that it is actually nowhere near as pretentious as white, middle class, middle aged men 'digging' Rap  Believe me, they dont like that!
The closest to to rap I've liked is Massive Attack.
I cant stand Rap and rock together! 
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wolfvaga
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 06:59 |
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I had a chance to listen hip-hop (my younger brother likes it) in different languages... And I don't like it... Frankly, it nothing about close-minded stuff over here, I think that that is all about flavor... Example-I also like ambiental, new-age and jazz music...
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Lupus in fabula :)
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 07:33 |
 MHDTV wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I don't like many hip hop artists ... but I don't think that this means that I'm close-minded. I simply don't enjoy listening to the music, it doesn't appeal to me. There *are* a few tracks which I like, but those are all on the fringes of the genre and contain elements of other genres.
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I wasn't saying just because you dislike it means you're close-minded. Just that I doubt most people have actually heard any, and condemn it just because. |
Well, would you agree that most (in the 90% area) hip hop artists tend to keep their music really simple? That's my main problem with the genre ... there are quite a few track which only use one note for the vocals and one chord/base tone throughout. Of course there are also those hip-hop artists who use soul influences (female vocals) and/or samples from other genres. I can listen to many of those tracks on the radio without any problems and I'm also enjoying it to some extent, but it's not something which I would download or buy in a store.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 07:42 |
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I really can't open my mind so big to accept rap or hip hop to my head. I've accepted pop, new wave and few metal acts. (my head is full of prog and classic rock) Hip Hop perhaps can be in my mind for few days with a sticky rythm or lyrics but never be 4ever. Pop okay is the same but I can listen it in my room like Inxs or Simply Red I love em.
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Zargus
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 09:30 |
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I am not close minded against hip hop i like many bands and artist like: Public enemy, Dr dre, Eminem, Snoop dog, Kenny west, Outkast.... are all very good, sure i dont got that many hip hop albums. But im not one of thos that say all hip hop / rap sucks, even tough im not the bigest fan, thers is alot of stuff i like.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 09:51 |
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I have "opened my mind" to it on many occasions. I have even heard a little (very little) that I do like. But, I can honestly say that the majority of it is not worth my time.
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 09:56 |
MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop? Many of you complain about how close-minded your friends are, yet look at yourselves. Here are some bands to try:
Aesop Rock
Madvillain
Public Enemy
Notorious B.I.G.
EL-P
Atmosphere
KRS-One
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Being close minded has nothing to do with it. It's all personal tastes. I'm sure I've got discs in my collection that you wouldn't like. Does that make YOU close minded? E
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 10:09 |
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Oh yeah I tried to listen to El-P so I got an album by him and it was just straightforward jazz. Not bad though.
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:11 |
E-Dub wrote:
MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop? Many of you complain about how close-minded your friends are, yet look at yourselves. Here are some bands to try:
Aesop Rock
Madvillain
Public Enemy
Notorious B.I.G.
EL-P
Atmosphere
KRS-One
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Being close minded has nothing to do with it. It's all personal tastes. I'm sure I've got discs in my collection that you wouldn't like. Does that make YOU close minded? E |
I already explained this. I'm not going to do it again. Once again, I encourage people to try non-mainstream Hip-Hop like Aesop Rock, KRS-One, or Jazz-Hop and Trip-Hop like DJ Shadow.
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Freak yo' swerve
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laplace
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:17 |
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My tastes are really narrow, but I've tried a lot of these supposed progressive rap artists and found it *truly* boring. Not repulsive, not IQ-reducing, just dull as hell. Sorry. ;P
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:20 |
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Really? Public Enemy? KRS-One? I can understand Aesop Rock or whatever, but really? Well to each their own. As I've been trying to explain I don't care if you dislike it, just if, you say that's it killing music or whatever.
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Freak yo' swerve
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laplace
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:23 |
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Oh, don't worry, I don't think anything can kill music apart from a huge meteor.
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The T
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:58 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
MHDTV wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I don't like many hip hop artists ... but I don't think that this means that I'm close-minded. I simply don't enjoy listening to the music, it doesn't appeal to me. There *are* a few tracks which I like, but those are all on the fringes of the genre and contain elements of other genres.
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I wasn't saying just because you dislike it means you're close-minded. Just that I doubt most people have actually heard any, and condemn it just because. |
Well, would you agree that most (in the 90% area) hip hop artists tend to keep their music really simple? That's my main problem with the genre ... there are quite a few track which only use one note for the vocals and one chord/base tone throughout. Of course there are also those hip-hop artists who use soul influences (female vocals) and/or samples from other genres. I can listen to many of those tracks on the radio without any problems and I'm also enjoying it to some extent, but it's not something which I would download or buy in a store.
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Mike is right and also (in my view) off target... You're aright in the simplicity (it's musically poor, I guess) of hip hop, of most of it at least.... But of course, it's wrong if you listen to that music because of that... I guess trying to hear hip hop for its harmonies or other musical factors will leave you dry... but if you let the simple bass lines and little details just get you in the mood, if you just listen the music ofr its attitude or because it entertains you, it can listenable... I have like 8 hip-hop albums in my collection.. it's about 1% of it... yet I like those albums... Now, another way to enjoy is if you listen to some good lyrics about violence and gangsta life (2Pac is the king there)...
there's some art to be found in hip-hop, just don't try to think every art has to be measured in purely musical notions...
I have Dr Dre, 2Pac, Big, Snoop (  ), Eric&Rakim, PublicEnemy, NAS and that's about it...well, that's 7 actually, but I have 2 of 2 pac and 2 of big, so that's 9....
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 15:18 |
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Yah, Tupac and Nas are Hip Hop like Kenny G is Jazz in terms of complexity and innovation.
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Freak yo' swerve
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 15:24 |
MHDTV wrote:
Yah, Tupac and Nas are Hip Hop like Kenny G is Jazz in terms of complexity and innovation. |
Yeah, it's kinda like that.
It's not hip-hop that's killing music, it's mainstream music in general. Mainstream rock like Nickelstaindpuddleofcreedback is just as bad as Lil' John.
There is, however a large creative underground that's just as musically innovative as any prog-rock record.
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 15:31 |
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It's like that with all music these days. How many good mainstream artists are there in any genre these days...
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Freak yo' swerve
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The T
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 16:41 |
MHDTV wrote:
Yah, Tupac and Nas are Hip Hop like Kenny G is Jazz in terms of complexity and innovation. |
As I said, I don't go to hip hop for complexity and innovation, but for other things. I don't care and I don't WANT some complicated hiphop. I enjoy the little that I enjoy because it's raw, poor, direct. For more "complexity and innovation" I have my classical, my prog, and even some jazz, Brubeck, Davis, that stuff... Not Kenny G. But for hiphop, something I don't hear to be amazed at the musicianship, I can take your Kenny Gs....
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