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StyLaZyn 
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 Posted: February 13 2008 at 15:03 |
 Ghost Rider wrote:
TMV's latest album is a bit hard to swallow... I do like it, but it is way too dense. I understand some people being put off by it big time.
As to Caravan, they are just an example of a band with great songwriting skills. I happen to love them to death, so I mentioned them - but I could've easily mentioned other bands, such as Rush or King Crimson, who are closer to DT in a musical sense (well, at least Rush are...).
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They used to get compared to Rush. I heard some similarity but no more. I can hear some possible KC influence.
DT needs one good Space Rock album. But it might sound musically like Pink Floyd in double time with one huge guitar, key, and drum solo. 
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 15:01 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
They need to hone their songwriting skills for starters... They sure can play, but it is not enough to make memorable music. As Micky and I have very often said, they have something to learn from the likes of Caravan - who may not have been as technically gifted as DT are, but who knew how to write a really memorable song. And then, if they gave LaBrie the boot and hired a good vocalist, they would stand to gain immensely.
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I insist.... they don't NEED anything.... we as fans (or no-fans but in general, we as listeners) NEED them to have this or that or that.... if it was possible, we all would do some changes in most ANY music we've ever heard... at l;east minor things that would make it even more appealing to us.... but it's not that DT NEEDS anything.... you, him, them, etc, YOU NEED those changes... not the band....
Anyway, I NEED a cup of coffee... 
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 14:59 |
Maybe. I hear their songs in bits and spurts. Whatever I can find on Net Radio.
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 14:37 |
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TMV's latest album is a bit hard to swallow... I do like it, but it is way too dense. I understand some people being put off by it big time.
As to Caravan, they are just an example of a band with great songwriting skills. I happen to love them to death, so I mentioned them - but I could've easily mentioned other bands, such as Rush or King Crimson, who are closer to DT in a musical sense (well, at least Rush are...).
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micky
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 14:34 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
micky wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
They need to hone their songwriting skills for starters... They sure can play, but it is not enough to make memorable music. As Micky and I have very often said, they have something to learn from the likes of Caravan - who may not have been as technically gifted as DT are, but who knew how to write a really memorable song. And then, if they gave LaBrie the boot and hired a good vocalist, they would stand to gain immensely.
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Caravan? Well I'd be running further from DT if that was the case. I just can't get into Caravan, and I have tried.
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interesting... anything you can put your finger on?
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Nothing in particular. There just hasn't been a song that I've felt myself wanting to hear again. I listen to them on Last.FM, when they pop up on the Tagged Radio thing. But the positive is, I do listen and not hit skip like I do with TMV.  |
have you heard their 2nd album by chance...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 14:32 |
micky wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
They need to hone their songwriting skills for starters... They sure can play, but it is not enough to make memorable music. As Micky and I have very often said, they have something to learn from the likes of Caravan - who may not have been as technically gifted as DT are, but who knew how to write a really memorable song. And then, if they gave LaBrie the boot and hired a good vocalist, they would stand to gain immensely.
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Caravan? Well I'd be running further from DT if that was the case. I just can't get into Caravan, and I have tried.
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interesting... anything you can put your finger on?
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Nothing in particular. There just hasn't been a song that I've felt myself wanting to hear again. I listen to them on Last.FM, when they pop up on the Tagged Radio thing. But the positive is, I do listen and not hit skip like I do with TMV.
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micky
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 14:28 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:
They need to hone their songwriting skills for starters... They sure can play, but it is not enough to make memorable music. As Micky and I have very often said, they have something to learn from the likes of Caravan - who may not have been as technically gifted as DT are, but who knew how to write a really memorable song. And then, if they gave LaBrie the boot and hired a good vocalist, they would stand to gain immensely.
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Caravan? Well I'd be running further from DT if that was the case. I just can't get into Caravan, and I have tried.
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interesting... anything you can put your finger on?
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 14:27 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
They need to hone their songwriting skills for starters... They sure can play, but it is not enough to make memorable music. As Micky and I have very often said, they have something to learn from the likes of Caravan - who may not have been as technically gifted as DT are, but who knew how to write a really memorable song. And then, if they gave LaBrie the boot and hired a good vocalist, they would stand to gain immensely.
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Caravan? Well I'd be running further from DT if that was the case. I just can't get into Caravan, and I have tried.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 13:26 |
laplace wrote:
Dream Theater needs a cute airborne anime-style mascot called Kuu-chan.
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I agree with this
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 13:13 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 12:53 |
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They need to hone their songwriting skills for starters... They sure can play, but it is not enough to make memorable music. As Micky and I have very often said, they have something to learn from the likes of Caravan - who may not have been as technically gifted as DT are, but who knew how to write a really memorable song. And then, if they gave LaBrie the boot and hired a good vocalist, they would stand to gain immensely.
Edited by Ghost Rider - February 13 2008 at 13:21
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khammer99
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 12:43 |
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I don't know if DT needs anything, other then maybe people getting off their backs, and other people stop pointed at them as the pinnacle of metal.
I am a fan. I enjoy there music very much. I think it could be a good thing, if by their popularity, they bring in a whole new host of fans. Who knows, maybe radio stations will start playing them, and then expanding their play lists to include other prog bands, so we wouldn't have to suffer with all the crap that is "popular" now. Wouldn't that be nice...
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Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has
been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 08:38 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Prog Metal, just like any other genre, has its boundaries and rules set up. IMHO, DT has not "ran the string as far as it would go" nor "they'll go as far as their fans will keep on buying the same old same old."
But it really is the case, many DT fans are always expecting a certain sound from them. DT can't exactly make half an album of jazz fusion (for example) and call it prog metal, not that I mind fusion, but DT wont get away with it. Sure Prog Metal has its set rules and boundaries, but at the end of the day, it still leaves enormous room for experimentation, and it's only limited with the artists imagination. But it also a matter if the fans are willing to accept that experimentation and broadening of horizons.
IMO, DT surely can't have run out of ideas, nor do I think they ever will. If I ever felt DT had ever done an AC/DC 20 years of doing the same song, I would have given up on them ages ago. They have plenty of ideas, surely, but it remains to be seen how creatively they can use them . For example, Octavarium in my eyes, the weakest effort from them (excluding When Dream And Day Unite, which i have not heard enough to comment on but im familar with their other studio albums), not because of a lack of ideas, there were certainly plenty, just I think too much of the album made me think "What band I have heard this idea from?" or "Those ideas just didn't seem to flow as well as it could have if they came up with a more interesting part".
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good post 
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 07:52 |
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Dream Theater are fine as they are.
Their albums sell by the lorry load to an army of die hard fans the world over. Not many prog metal bands can boast playing huge arenas in 2008. It wont be any concern of theirs that they dont make it into the Prog Archives top 10 or whatever. Their formula is tried and tested and delivers the goods.
Personally, I dont like their music at all, but they are not likely to lose sleep over that either..
I say, all the best to them, just for their contribution to contemporary prog.
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 07:27 |
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Dream Theater needs a cute airborne anime-style mascot called Kuu-chan.
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Visitor13
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Posted: February 13 2008 at 07:18 |
everyone wrote:
They should break up and quit putting out albums that have the music of the Mahvishnu Orchestra |
 So I'm not familiar with their music after all... and it seems there's hope for them yet.
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Posted: February 12 2008 at 23:07 |
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They should break up and quit putting out albums that have the lyrics of Led Zeppelin and the music of the Mahvishnu Orchestra....what they are doing has already been done. Lucky I did not have to pay for the cds of theirs I own.
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dpedal1
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Posted: February 12 2008 at 22:44 |
What does DT need? To keep being some of the most talented musicians on the prog scene today!! 
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"So crucify the ego, before it's far too late." - Reflection
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 12 2008 at 18:47 |
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A BRAAAAAND NEW SKIN
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: February 12 2008 at 12:43 |
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I think they should
1. Bring Myung out front!
2. Do something different with the keys. I really dont like Rudess's 'fake guitar solos'. RELAX MAN! more atmosphere.
3. Push back Petrucci a little.
4. The song octavarium really worked (see #2 look it works!) experiment more and play around with different compositions and styles and not so much the ToT vain of metal they have been playing since that album.
5. Their lyrics need work. maybe they could take a creative writing course or poetry class. anything would help really.
They don't have to surrender their style, what makes them DT, to adjust. Their earlier albums did this, they've just stagnated.
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