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Poll Question: Who do our non-U.S. members think should be the next U.S. president?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 12:44
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

 
All I have to say is, I wish your authorities were so honest as to say that US citizens are not allowed to marry foreigners. The whole process involves serious invasions of a person's privacy, even when one has NOTHING to hide as in my case, and is clearly not engaging in a Green Card scam (no Western Europeans are, especially people like me who have property and a job in their home countries).
 
I can empathize with you on this point.  When I married my wife more than 20 years ago I was in the military and she was an undocumented alien (a story worthy of a round of drinks someday if I ever get the chance Wink).
 
Anyway, I naively thought that by marrying her she would become a citizen.  Not so, as you are aware and I discovered.  It took us two years, thousands of dollars and as you said a lot of privacy invasion.  And this was way back when we had immigration amnesty in the U.S. and well before 9/11.  I can't imagine how difficult the process must be today.  Best of luck and I hope you invite me to your citizenship ceremony some day - I love going to those things Thumbs%20Up!
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 12:52
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Better watch what you say Croatia and Wales.  Is that WMD I smell you cooking up there?  And damn sure better not have any oil.

I spoke a little too soon about and then there were four.  Apparently some Republicans aren't so easy to quit as the debate last night was a four way.  I'm really disappointed in the Democrats.  I think Edwards would have beaten any Republican nominee in a landslide, should have hung in a little longer.

For any of you furreners around the around the world that might be interested, these are my predictions for matchups of the top four from a US American (anyone know where I can find some maps?):
McCain vs. Hillary, too close to call.
McCain vs. Obama, McCain (too many in this country who vote [and by that I mean those who haven't been disenfranchised] who won't vote for a black guy)
Romney vs. Hillary, Hillary (too many religious fanatics that don't trust Mormons, but then again they probably wouldn't vote for Hillary either)
Romney vs. Obama, too close to call.

Stay tuned for updates, when it come to opinions, I am full of it.
do you really think so? (especially the first one) To me, it seems that Obama is wildly popular, especially among moderates - I think if he went up against Romney in particular, that he would win over a good chunk of the moderate-conservative vote...it would be a landslide.  Actually I think Obama probably will beat anyone the GOP chooses, because his character is such that people find it hard to dislike him...hell, even Fixed News has laid it easy on him.  I honestly don't think the race issue is as big as some may think.  Of course I could be wrong, maybe it's worse farther south (you would know in Georgia...). 
I'm also disappointed that Edwards dropped out, but he just wasn't getting any attention with the media focussing on anything but policy issues - Edward had the most clear view of where he was going and what he would do in the white house.  If you ask me, there were some strings being pulled behind the scenes before super tuesday (hopefully not by Clinton).  IMO a ticket with Obama & Edwards (VP) would be the way to go for the Dems...otherwise I'll vote for Nader if...when he jumps in again WinkLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 14:02
I hope to be proven wrong regarding Obama, but even if you put race aside (and maybe my perspective is colored a bit by living in the south east US all my life), don't underestimate the ability of the right wing noise machine, and vote shenanigans to pull off a Republican victory.  My wife (who's black) thinks that if Obama is in a tight race and there are shenanigans like in 2000 and 2004, people aren't going to stand for it and there will be riots.  I'm not so sure it won't be like 2000 and 2004 all over again, a minority of the people will get very upset but most will just take it.  If HC is the Democratic nominee, I'd still vote for her over any Republican or even Nader (though I like Ralph).  Or how about "Don't blame me, I voted for Zappa"? Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 23:14
Obama cracks me up.  His platform is simply the word "change".  What does he want to change?  He rarely mentions.  How does he plan on going about these changes?  He doesn't have any idea.  BUT, unlike every candidate in history who has promised change (read: all of them), Obama will ACTUALLY change things.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2008 at 07:38

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 01 2008 at 13:26
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I hope to be proven wrong regarding Obama, but even if you put race aside (and maybe my perspective is colored a bit by living in the south east US all my life), don't underestimate the ability of the right wing noise machine, and vote shenanigans to pull off a Republican victory.  My wife (who's black) thinks that if Obama is in a tight race and there are shenanigans like in 2000 and 2004, people aren't going to stand for it and there will be riots.  I'm not so sure it won't be like 2000 and 2004 all over again, a minority of the people will get very upset but most will just take it.  If HC is the Democratic nominee, I'd still vote for her over any Republican or even Nader (though I like Ralph).  Or how about "Don't blame me, I voted for Zappa"? Big%20smile
I wouldn't be surprised if there is rioting after a GOP victory...the only way they can possibly win is to play dirty. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2008 at 15:52
You think us proles will win?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2008 at 10:32
haha, you know we will...as long as the Actors Guild pretends to be on our side
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:49
Mitt Romney announced today that he is dropping out of the presidential race.  His statement:
 
"If I fight on in my campaign all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win.
 
And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror."
 
Press Conference at the Conservative Political Action Conference (Washington DC February 7, 2008)
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2008 at 18:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2008 at 19:03
looking forward to next Tuesday.. though Obama will walk the dog with Va. 


have to say....though I've been with Hillary since the beginning... and think she'd beat McCain like a drum... I am warming to Obama.  I thought he made the same mistake Edwards did in running too early.. without at least a full term under his belt. But I guess that is why I am here.. instead of across the river.. banging interns and plotting the destruction of the fascists in the GOP. LOL

this one is going all the way to the convention though... should be really fun.. was too young in '76 to remember a primary season so in doubt. Obama loses though I think if it goes to super-delagates.. Hillary has the machine behind her.. but who knows what will happen in the months ahead. Fascinating.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2008 at 19:19
As long as a non-white male doesnt win,thats fine be me,the rest keep seeing to f#ck it up lol
thought a minute on the pole i thought it read John Mclane, unfortuantley its not.He would give Arnie a run for his money.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2008 at 22:44
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Obama cracks me up.  His platform is simply the word "change".  What does he want to change?  He rarely mentions.  How does he plan on going about these changes?  He doesn't have any idea.  BUT, unlike every candidate in history who has promised change (read: all of them), Obama will ACTUALLY change things.  

He and Hillary are essentially the same candidate, but a Bush or Clinton has been in the White House for the last 28 years (counting Bush Sr.'s VP tenure), so really at this point he'd be change simply by winning (which is about 90% of the change he would accomplish in a 4 year term. Frankly, I agree with most of Clinton's and Obama's points (since they are the same), but Obama has way more charisma, making him my choice. McCain is the closest thing the Reps had to a sane candidate, so I'm glad he's the frontrunner. Now I must hope that Huckabee doesn't miraculously make up ground, cause that man makes another four years of Bush look preferable in comparison.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2008 at 23:58
Ron Paul would be nice, but I have to be practical. Personally, McCain seems a bit unstable, Hillary is a part of the 2 family dynasty, and Obama wants to end space exploration. No good choice. Theres no candidate for me anyways, I believe in self-reliance, but I'm not a hard ass. Small federal government which noone except Paul really wants to do.  A mixture of Harm-Reduction and Prohibitionist policies to curb drug use.Where can a libertarian-slanted centrist ever find peace?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 02:09
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Obama cracks me up.  His platform is simply the word "change".  What does he want to change?  He rarely mentions.  How does he plan on going about these changes?  He doesn't have any idea.  BUT, unlike every candidate in history who has promised change (read: all of them), Obama will ACTUALLY change things.  
Actually. he talks about it about a lot, if you listen. I am aware that is bogged down in political speak, but he gives solid ideas. And he has actually accomplished things. As a Paul-ite, I doubt you would vote for him anyway, and I'm not sure I will vote for him, but I want to combat such a popular misconception.
 
By the way, Ron Paul is racist, in addition to being insane. However, he never had any chance of winning, so it's not really an issue.
 
There's really no need to make such condescending remarks about how racist America is; polls and the current election results do not support that at all.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 03:38
I just find it so funny that a left-wing politician in the US is best described as a right-wing one here in Sweden Tongue. And no, I'm not trying to make a statement out of that. My vote goes for Obama, for all I've heard/read so far.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 08:03
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

G.W. probably doesn't care, but considering about 99% of this country consists of people with ties to some other nation, I'm curious who the people of those countries think should be our next U.S. president.

It would also be nice to know why you chose the candidate you voted for.

Edited January 22nd to remove Biden, Dodd, Tancredo and Thompson who have all now officially dropped out.

Kucinich dropped out January 23rd.  Giuliani announced he's dropping out and endorsing McCain January 29th.

Edwards announced January 30th he is dropping out but will not immediately endorse another candidate.
 
Mitt Romney announced February 7th that he is suspending his bid for the Republican nomination.
 
 
 


You've "dashed" some of the drop outs and noted others.  If memory serves one of the dashed guys got a poll vote before he was dashed.  I'm a little of a stickler for consistency. LOL

Interesting to see the top two dems are still competitive, but I suspect McCain has it locked up now for the reps.  I can only hope that the so called conservatives will sit this one out rather than support and vote for the Mc man.  Also interesting that about a year ago McCain looked like he was going to be political road kill.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 12:33
Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Obama cracks me up.  His platform is simply the word "change".  What does he want to change?  He rarely mentions.  How does he plan on going about these changes?  He doesn't have any idea.  BUT, unlike every candidate in history who has promised change (read: all of them), Obama will ACTUALLY change things.  
Actually. he talks about it about a lot, if you listen. I am aware that is bogged down in political speak, but he gives solid ideas. And he has actually accomplished things. As a Paul-ite, I doubt you would vote for him anyway, and I'm not sure I will vote for him, but I want to combat such a popular misconception.
 
By the way, Ron Paul is racist, in addition to being insane. However, he never had any chance of winning, so it's not really an issue.
 
There's really no need to make such condescending remarks about how racist America is; polls and the current election results do not support that at all.

The claims of racism are a bit disheartening, but it seems a tad dodgy that only on copy of that newsletter existed, so  I dunno. It just seems unlikely that he would commit such blatant political suicide. But as you said, he'll never be elected, so I doubt it matters wither way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:46
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by Ghandi 2 Ghandi 2 wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Obama cracks me up.  His platform is simply the word "change".  What does he want to change?  He rarely mentions.  How does he plan on going about these changes?  He doesn't have any idea.  BUT, unlike every candidate in history who has promised change (read: all of them), Obama will ACTUALLY change things.  
Actually. he talks about it about a lot, if you listen. I am aware that is bogged down in political speak, but he gives solid ideas. And he has actually accomplished things. As a Paul-ite, I doubt you would vote for him anyway, and I'm not sure I will vote for him, but I want to combat such a popular misconception.
 
By the way, Ron Paul is racist, in addition to being insane. However, he never had any chance of winning, so it's not really an issue.
 
There's really no need to make such condescending remarks about how racist America is; polls and the current election results do not support that at all.

The claims of racism are a bit disheartening, but it seems a tad dodgy that only on copy of that newsletter existed, so  I dunno. It just seems unlikely that he would commit such blatant political suicide. But as you said, he'll never be elected, so I doubt it matters wither way.
It's highly possible that this came out when it did because Paul was gaining popularity in the black community for his stance against the War on Drugs (the war on people, really)...there was something to be gained on both sides:  The mainstream democrat machine in open states could syphen some of these votes, and McCain and Guiliani in closed primary states...the whole thing sounds silly to me; he was probably just careless and didn't pay enought attention to the people who were dealing with his newsletter/magazine at the time.  Politics is politics, as always.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2008 at 16:16
Now here's a racist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXGMi7a53jA


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