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Posted: January 29 2008 at 19:20

Atavachron wrote:

understood ..hope you're feeling better tomorrow

thanks David

.. I'm out. Have a good night.

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 19:19

understood ..hope you're feeling better tomorrow

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 19:04

thanks David. I think Dean said it in a post here. if I read it well.. I'm not feeling so hot tonight and about to turn in. There are no plans TO have an seperate Alt-prog sub-genre. There isn't the need for it... down the road?.. who knows. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it I guess hahha

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 19:00

it helps a lot, Mike, and though I find myself 'against' a AltProg category at the moment, you and Dean are making an excellent case and, as a colleague, I support your endeavor.. keep it up

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 18:58

I like the idea of alt-prog, if it were a genre I could probably make a good case for Smashing Pumpkins to be added, I think they started this style also might finally be able to get Mew added. However I dont think this style has really become a genre yet, right now its a group bands that fall into two catigories but dont have a common sound at all.

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 18:42

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well, I remember that when Friede suggested to have the Deep Freeze Mice added they were rejected, and the reason given was that they were an alternative band, not a progressive one, even though they have lots of epics, especially on "I Love You Little Bobo with Your Delicate Golden Lions". so I don't quite see why we should include alternative bands now, unless the policy has drastically changed

not radically changed... but evolved... progressed if you will.

a bit of history. Xover prog was concieved with a very narrow purpose in mind. When we split AR... we had bands IN AR who shared a important element. ties with popular music.. ie. The Moodies.. Supertramp ..etc. Popular music being.. of course.. the much pissed upon 'pop music'. Those being the days.. whether you like or respect pop music.. those groups were still artists... Elton John.. a pop artist? sure.. does he compare in ANY way to what are deemed to be pop artists today. Hell no... there was still a musical integrety attached to pop music in that day. That was the road I envisioned Xover being.. a place to put the bands who had pop music elements.. that WERE already in the archives.

being a prog site... things evolve and change.. the biggest being the second best thing ..sh*t... 3rd best hahhaha I've done as a member here. Finding Dean and bringing him on the Xover team. His knowledge of 'modern' music.. FAR exceeds mine and has molded the team to see beyond the original intent of the sub. Now.. instead of having prog groups.. that deserve addition here being pingponged between sub-genres because no will will take them because they don't fit traditionally 'stuffy' and old divisions of prog. They are now potentially have a new home.. popular music influences.. as we found out from our first additions.. are not strictly POP music.. but music that is generally considered to be popular music. Not sure if this helps.. or makes sense.

Edited by micky - January 29 2008 at 18:44

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:59

Oceansizzle wrote:

BaldJean wrote:

well, I remember that when Friede suggested to have the Deep Freeze Mice added they were rejected, and the reason given was that they were an alternative band, not a progressive one, even though they have lots of epics, especially on "I Love You Little Bobo with Your Delicate Golden Lions". so I don't quite see why we should include alternative bands now, unless the policy has drastically changed

If this band truly was an alternative one and NOT a progressive one, that's probably why they didn't get in. There are many bands that are definitely progressive and also have an alternative rock sound.

well, it seems Friede's and my opinion of the Deep Freeze Mice differed from those of the others. sure, their shorter songs aren't very progressive, but their epics definitely are. and they have lots of them

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:50

I believe that the 2007 prog album of the year, PT's Fear of a Blank Planet might just qualify as alternative prog. Radiohead would be another candidate.

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:49

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:38

well, I remember that when Friede suggested to have the Deep Freeze Mice added they were rejected, and the reason given was that they were an alternative band, not a progressive one, even though they have lots of epics, especially on "I Love You Little Bobo with Your Delicate Golden Lions". so I don't quite see why we should include alternative bands now, unless the policy has drastically changed

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:14

I have even been toying with the idea in Symphonic. A lot of these newer artists are definitely influenced by alternative rock.

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 14:11

rushfan4 wrote:

To me, I think that Tool would be the flag bearer for an Alternative Prog genre, especially their earlier work.

I knew there was a big one I was forgetting to mention!

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Seriously speaking, 'new' is too much of a relative concept, as is 'modern'.

My thoughts exactly. 'New' doesn't offer any description to the sound, just says that it was made recently.

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 13:55

I'd go for 'Garden Fresh Prog'! Sounds very healthy and nutritious LOL

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Seriously speaking, 'new' is too much of a relative concept, as is 'modern'. Then, it is too similar to Neo, and it would lead to misunderstandings, especially on the part of people who are not very familiar with the various time frames.

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 13:54

I like to sit back with a glass of champagne and relax to the contemporary sounds of próg nouveau.

I do worry that every time a prog genre surfaces it's a case of diminishing returns and I assume the next time this happens it'll be home to bands who are *almost* as prog as Muse or Radiohead. ;P

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 13:51

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darqDean wrote:

^ In essence yes, though I think New Prog is an even broader category that includes many Neo Prog and Post Rock bands that you wouldn't necessarily associate with Alt Rock or Alt Prog.

New Prog...pff...I understand New Age...but the over-use of "New" in prog timeline or even music would be really heavy-off. Ermm

Time for some fun with this. Alternative name for New-Prog?

Fresh Prog

Cutting Edge Prog

Untrodden Prog

Crisp Prog

Green Prog

Fresh n' Raw Prog

X-Prog

Modern Prog

Dewy Prog

Rejuv'd Proj

Mod Prog

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 12:41

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New Prog...pff...I understand New Age...but the over-use of "New" in prog timeline or even music would be really heavy-off. Ermm

spot on Rico - at least New Age has some longevity to it (well, a couple of millennia at least

) every thing is "new" once in it's lifetime.

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 11:41

I will wait together with my symphomaniac friends the raise of disco-prog,rap-prog,hiphop-prog and all replacement alternatives of progressive rock

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 11:06

New Prog...pff...I understand New Age...but the over-use of "New" in prog timeline or even music would be really heavy-off. Ermm

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 09:59

To me, I think that Tool would be the flag bearer for an Alternative Prog genre, especially their earlier work.

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Posted: January 29 2008 at 09:55

^ In essence yes, though I think New Prog is an even broader category that includes many Neo Prog and Post Rock bands that you wouldn't necessarily associate with Alt Rock or Alt Prog.

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