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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:38
well, I remember that when Friede suggested to have the Deep Freeze Mice added they were rejected, and the reason given was that they were an alternative band, not a progressive one, even though they have lots of epics, especially on "I Love You Little Bobo with Your Delicate Golden Lions". so I don't quite see why we should include alternative bands now, unless the policy has drastically changed


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

well, I remember that when Friede suggested to have the Deep Freeze Mice added they were rejected, and the reason given was that they were an alternative band, not a progressive one, even though they have lots of epics, especially on "I Love You Little Bobo with Your Delicate Golden Lions". so I don't quite see why we should include alternative bands now, unless the policy has drastically changed

If this band truly was an alternative one and NOT a progressive one, that's probably why they didn't get in.  There are many bands that are definitely progressive and also have an alternative rock sound.
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Points: 66270 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:50
I believe that the 2007 prog album of the year, PT's Fear of a Blank Planet might just qualify as alternative prog.  Radiohead would be another candidate. 
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 15:59
Originally posted by Oceansizzle Oceansizzle wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

well, I remember that when Friede suggested to have the Deep Freeze Mice added they were rejected, and the reason given was that they were an alternative band, not a progressive one, even though they have lots of epics, especially on "I Love You Little Bobo with Your Delicate Golden Lions". so I don't quite see why we should include alternative bands now, unless the policy has drastically changed

If this band truly was an alternative one and NOT a progressive one, that's probably why they didn't get in.  There are many bands that are definitely progressive and also have an alternative rock sound.

well, it seems Friede's and my opinion of the Deep Freeze Mice differed from those of the others. sure, their shorter songs aren't very progressive, but their epics definitely are. and they have lots of them


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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 18:42
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

well, I remember that when Friede suggested to have the Deep Freeze Mice added they were rejected, and the reason given was that they were an alternative band, not a progressive one, even though they have lots of epics, especially on "I Love You Little Bobo with Your Delicate Golden Lions". so I don't quite see why we should include alternative bands now, unless the policy has drastically changed
 
not radically changed... but evolved... progressed if you will. 
 
a bit of history.  Xover prog was concieved with a very narrow purpose in mind.  When we split AR... we had bands IN AR who shared a important element.  ties with popular music.. ie. The Moodies.. Supertramp ..etc. Popular music being.. of course.. the much pissed upon 'pop music'.  Those being the days.. whether you like or respect pop music.. those groups were still artists... Elton John.. a pop artist? sure..  does he compare in ANY way to what are deemed to be pop artists today.  Hell no... there was still a musical integrety attached to pop music in that day.  That was the road I envisioned Xover being.. a place to put the bands who had pop music elements..  that WERE already in the archives. 
 
being a prog site... things evolve and change.. the biggest being the second best thing ..sh*t... 3rd best hahhaha I've done as a member here.  Finding  Dean and bringing him on the Xover team.  His knowledge of 'modern' music.. FAR exceeds mine and has molded the team to see beyond the original intent of the sub. Now.. instead of having prog groups.. that deserve addition here being pingponged between sub-genres because no will will take them because they don't fit traditionally 'stuffy' and old divisions of prog.   They are now potentially have a new home.. popular music influences.. as we found out from our first additions.. are not strictly POP music.. but music that is generally considered to be popular music.  Not sure if this helps.. or makes sense. 


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Points: 1882 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 18:58
I like the idea of alt-prog, if it were a genre I could probably make a good case for Smashing Pumpkins to be added, I think they started this style also might finally be able to get Mew added. However I dont think this style has really become a genre yet, right now its a group bands that fall into two catigories but dont have a common sound at all.
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Points: 65268 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 19:00
it helps a lot, Mike, and though I find myself 'against' a AltProg category at the moment, you and Dean are making an excellent case and, as a colleague, I support your endeavor.. keep it up 

 
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 19:04
thanks David. I think Dean said it in a post here. if I read it well.. I'm not feeling so hot tonight and about to turn in. There are no plans TO have an seperate Alt-prog sub-genre.  There isn't the need for it... down the road?.. who knows. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it I guess hahha
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Points: 65268 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 19:19
understood   ..hope you're feeling better tomorrow
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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 19:20
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

understood   ..hope you're feeling better tomorrow
 
thanks David Heart.. I'm out.  Have a good night.
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