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Poll Question: Who do our non-U.S. members think should be the next U.S. president?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2008 at 18:36

1 vote for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Guliani combined...god I love this place!Tongue

 

I wish you guys could come over and vote in November

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2008 at 18:44
I would like McCain if it weren't for the fact that I don't wanna get drafted.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2008 at 18:52
What makes it rather difficult for foreigners like myself to decide who we'd rather have in the White House is that, foreign policy beyond Iraq not being a vote-grabbing issue in the US, it's something of a mystery just where Hillary, Barak, and the rest in fact stand on international issues.  Has any one of them, for instance, committed themselves to actually reducing the US's carbon emissions, and promised to sign treaties to that effect?

If anyone would care to enlighten me, they'd be most welcome...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2008 at 22:38
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:


Let's at least get the facts right then. �Western Europe is in fact a minor trade partner with the U.S. �In fact, Canada and Mexico are our largest trade partners. �46% of our export trade and more than half of our import business is with Canada, Mexico, Japan and China. �The UK accounts for only about 4% of exports and Germany about the same in imports - all of the other European countries�have�less�trade�than�that�with�us. �Korea and the Middle East also pale in comparison to our own continent and the Far East in trade, yet the heaviest concentration of our military might, expenditures and international policy attention have been on these areas for years.
  Here are the trade numbers for 2007 in billions $ (excluding December, no data yet)
 
Country                                    Exports              Imports                   Balance
 
Canada                                  229,087.9          288,666.1              -59,578.2
Mexico                                  126,309.4          194,056.4              -67,747.0
China                                       58,340.1          295,817.6            -237,477.5
Japan                                       57,407.6          133,613.4              -76,205.8
 

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html#2007

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c2010.html#2007  

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2007

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5880.html

 
Europe                                   262,390.9         374,581.3            -112,190.4

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c0012.html#2007

 
The world                            1,062,111.0       1,783,151.0            -721,040.0 
 
The combined Europe IS our major trading partner.
 

South Korea                              31,603.4            44,051.6              -12,448.1

Nothing to sneeze at. Of course, it hasn't been always like that in terms of trade, but from the Korean War and on it was containment of communism. S Korea has close economic ties to Japan, etc.
 
Country                                        Exports            Imports                  Balance
Saudi Arabia                                8,995.3           31,518.6              -22,523.3

Iraq                                              1,378.0           10,462.0                -9,084.0

Kuwait                                         2,176.7             3,765.5                -1,588.8

UAE                                           10,280.4            1,172.0                  9,108.4 

Israel                                          11,846.1           19,030.4                -7,184.3

 

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5170.html#2007

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:


And I don't deny that many Americans are beneficiaries of a capitalist economy. �But to put things in perspective even the U.S. government acknowledges that nearly all economic gain in this country over the past 30+ years has almost exclusively benefitted the top 20% of households. �The purchasing power of the remaining 80% of the country has actually decreased in that same period, , and as of 2007 we are approaching a trade deficit of one trillion dollars�despite�more�than�2.5�million�jobs�being�shipped�overseas�in�this�decade�alone. �
You're referring to the distribution of wealth. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I meant the benefits of capitalism/imperialism people of industrialized countries receive. For example, a liberal reporter blaming capitalism for exploitation of third world countries is a beneficiary of this system as his own job exists thanks to the capitalism which provides him with his cup of coffee and cigar by exploiting a poor farmer in Brazil and another one in Honduras.
Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:


And the international policies of a country are not always an extension of their economic policies. �They are often an extension of ideological policies, which in the case of the U.S. just happens to be largely the same thing. �
You said it. Although history probably knows a few cases when ideology prevailed over economy, nothing good came out of it. The Spanish Armadas come to mind. If you present another example, I'be be happy to discuss it and try to prove my point. Ideology is usually a tool to disguise the real reasons behind the action. Like bringing democracy to Iraq.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 04:17
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

1 vote for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Guliani combined...god I love this place!Tongue

 

I wish you guys could come over and vote in November



Hopefully I will already be in the US by November, but unfortunately I won't be able to vote for a long time... Who knows, perhaps in 2012 I willLOL!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 06:12
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I've been told he doesn't know sh*t about the economy. But overall, he's my favorite candidate.

I would say you've heard wrong.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 07:55
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

1 vote for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Guliani combined...god I love this place!Tongue

 

I wish you guys could come over and vote in November



Here's a political cartoon you might like:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 07:57
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

1 vote for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Guliani combined...god I love this place!Tongue

 

I wish you guys could come over and vote in November



Hopefully I will already be in the US by November, but unfortunately I won't be able to vote for a long time... Who knows, perhaps in 2012 I willLOL!


Say, have you memorized all that stuff us US Americans should know but don't, so you can pass your citizenship test?

By the way if you're one of those stinkin' liberal feringners trying to sneak your way into this country and corrupt it, you've got my support 100%. Big%20smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 09:00
 I really don't envy Americans for their possible president canditates.
 I read something about all major canditates, and I found in all something that is a big turn off for me.
Perhaps a Clinton vs. Giuliani, and Huckabee as vice president candidate would be the worst combination.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 10:31
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

1 vote for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Guliani combined...god I love this place!Tongue

 

I wish you guys could come over and vote in November



Hopefully I will already be in the US by November, but unfortunately I won't be able to vote for a long time... Who knows, perhaps in 2012 I willLOL!
Pinch it'll be too late by then, I'll be drafted...but as Slart said, good luck studying all that stuff that few Americans even know, the revolution begins in 2012LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 10:32
Originally posted by EnglishAssassin EnglishAssassin wrote:

What makes it rather difficult for foreigners like myself to decide who we'd rather have in the White House is that, foreign policy beyond Iraq not being a vote-grabbing issue in the US, it's something of a mystery just where Hillary, Barak, and the rest in fact stand on international issues.  Has any one of them, for instance, committed themselves to actually reducing the US's carbon emissions, and promised to sign treaties to that effect?

If anyone would care to enlighten me, they'd be most welcome...
as far as environmental issues, John Edwards is really the only one who's commited to doing anything big, and his record is a tad inconsistent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2008 at 19:37
Nobody wants to take a strong stance either way on the environment, because if you go way pro-environment you lose critical corporate $$$ for your campaign, but if you go pro-business you alienate the young vote.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 06:48
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Nobody wants to take a strong stance either way on the environment, because if you go way pro-environment you lose critical corporate $$$ for your campaign, but if you go pro-business you alienate the young vote.  

Yes, but few young people bother to vote, and that may be the crux of the problem, particularly when you add in folks who do vote but don't vote for their best interests but instead get suckered into voting for hot button cultural issues.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2008 at 10:26
funnnneeeeyyyyy!!LOL
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 03:37
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

1 vote for McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Guliani combined...god I love this place!Tongue

 

I wish you guys could come over and vote in November



Hopefully I will already be in the US by November, but unfortunately I won't be able to vote for a long time... Who knows, perhaps in 2012 I willLOL!


Hoppin' the pond eh? Well good luck, the naturalization process is a bitch and a half.

I have a friend from India who has lived with his parents here since he was 6 (14 years ago) but they still haven't been able to get in. If you don't know a guy who knows a guy then you stay enqueued whilst others are grandfathered in. No wonder the illegal immigrant problem is so horrible, the process is not a process because it does not complete in a finite amount of time! GrrAngry


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And now there are four.  Be afraid, be very afraid.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 07:27
They are all the same, capitalist scum f**ks the lot of them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 07:40
I don't care who will rule some foreign country, in a same way I would like that foreign country to mind their own business within their borders.
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Of course, that's idealistic and unreal, but that's how it should be, more or less. We all know the impact of U.S. on the rest of the world, for good or for bad - that just shows how the situation is distorted - and far from ideal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 08:23
Better watch what you say Croatia and Wales.  Is that WMD I smell you cooking up there?  And damn sure better not have any oil.

I spoke a little too soon about and then there were four.  Apparently some Republicans aren't so easy to quit as the debate last night was a four way.  I'm really disappointed in the Democrats.  I think Edwards would have beaten any Republican nominee in a landslide, should have hung in a little longer.

For any of you furreners around the around the world that might be interested, these are my predictions for matchups of the top four from a US American (anyone know where I can find some maps?):
McCain vs. Hillary, too close to call.
McCain vs. Obama, McCain (too many in this country who vote [and by that I mean those who haven't been disenfranchised] who won't vote for a black guy)
Romney vs. Hillary, Hillary (too many religious fanatics that don't trust Mormons, but then again they probably wouldn't vote for Hillary either)
Romney vs. Obama, too close to call.

Stay tuned for updates, when it come to opinions, I am full of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 31 2008 at 12:07
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:




Hoppin' the pond eh? Well good luck, the naturalization process is a bitch and a half.

I have a friend from India who has lived with his parents here since he was 6 (14 years ago) but they still haven't been able to get in. If you don't know a guy who knows a guy then you stay enqueued whilst others are grandfathered in. No wonder the illegal immigrant problem is so horrible, the process is not a process because it does not complete in a finite amount of time! GrrAngry
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I am applying for a K-1, or fiancé visa, since I can't wait to marry another certain forum member whom you may have come acrossLOL... They usually take about 6 months (may be more, may be less), and then of course there is a lot of fun to be had with the whole Adjustment of Status process. All I have to say is, I wish your authorities were so honest as to say that US citizens are not allowed to marry foreigners. The whole process involves serious invasions of a person's privacy, even when one has NOTHING to hide as in my case, and is clearly not engaging in a Green Card scam (no Western Europeans are, especially people like me who have property and a job in their home countries).

That said, unfortunately for us, we can't afford not to care about who is elected president of the US. The Italian territory is FULL of US military bases and such, since we are part of the NATO - not to mention that nowadays the world has become way too small for every country not to be in some measure influenced by what happens somewhere else.
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