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    Posted: September 09 2004 at 23:38

Do you think, like me, that prog of the 70's only occupies a small percentage of all the prog scene, say, 10-15%?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2004 at 23:43
I'd say it's more than 10-15%.  I mean, that would mean 85-90% of prog came out in the 80s and 90s.  I do think that people who say "prog died after the 70s" have no idea what they're talking about though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2004 at 23:46
I've notice all the bands coming from tons of countries: they are so numerous that I feel completely lost in that bottomless sea.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2004 at 23:50
It's true.  Every country other than the one I conveniently happen to live in.  Canada is virtually progless (Rush is the exception).  Unless you count post-rock as a style of prog (stuff like Godspeed You Black Emperor and the rest of constellation records), but that's a whole other topic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 00:03

I believe it's 80 or 90% of the prog' from UK, but no more than 30% of the prog' around the world.

In the 80's there were a lot of neo prog' bands in other countries, wit a growth in USA, the 90's was a good decade for Scandinavian bands, and in the 00's, there are a lot of bands all over the world, including countries as Mongolia, Russia, Japan, Israel, etc.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 04:54

Undoubtedly there are more albums now- that's what the passage of time does; the farther you go back, the fewer albums there were.

Of course prog didn't die after the 70s- but general interest in it did taper off sharply. Which in my mind is a good thing; relative obscurity grants the artist more freedom and makes the community stronger. Although I sympathize with the financial concerns of some of the struggling musicians, the situation right now is almost perfect. I hope prog never makes a comeback.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 05:08
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

Undoubtedly there are more albums now- that's what the passage of time does; the farther you go back, the fewer albums there were.

Of course prog didn't die after the 70s- but general interest in it did taper off sharply. Which in my mind is a good thing; relative obscurity grants the artist more freedom and makes the community stronger. Although I sympathize with the financial concerns of some of the struggling musicians, the situation right now is almost perfect. I hope prog never makes a comeback.

Many bands like IQ and Flower Kings are fully aware of who their audience are - ie prog fans.We are in small minority of the music buying public but our intense loyalty will always guarantee X amount of album sales.There are a lot more prog bands than ever before competing for an small slice of the market.That guarantees that bands are not going to become complacent so to some extent I agree with your point.

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 05:38
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I believe it's 80 or 90% of the prog' from UK, but no more than 30% of the prog' around the world.

 

Iván

The statistics don't support your argument Ivan - neither do your figures, adding up to 110 or 120%LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 05:38
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

Do you think, like me, that prog of the 70's only occupies a small percentage of all the prog scene, say, 10-15%?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 05:45
Originally posted by greenback greenback wrote:

Do you think, like me, that prog of the 70's only occupies a small percentage of all the prog scene, say, 10-15%?

But as I've written recently in PA, the classic period for prog rock was between 1967 and 1973-ish, when  possibly 80% of the various styles of prog were laid down and polished up, producing some classic records. Metal Prog and the Nu.Prog ( e.g. The Mars Volta) being the obvious examples of prog  coming after.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 05:54

Prog didn't die in the 70's but it sure got a heck less interesting! (and good)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 06:59

I think that most prog since the mid seventies has been more of the same - there wasn't anything really new until Neo-prog and prog metal in the early 1980s, and the more recent incarnation of Prog metal.

So not really progressive music in the sense of the term, even though there may have been a lot of bands playing a now established genre called prog;  It seems a little ironic that prog is no longer necessarily progressive, where the bands of the early 1970's were progressive and innovative by definition!.

In short, I agree that most (80%, to give a finger in the air figure) of true prog is from the early 1970s.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 10:34

Does it really matter.  The way I see it, more than 80% of the prog I love is from the 70s.. and thats really all that matters to me...

THIS IS ELP
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 11:51

Does anything matter?

(Apart from ELP )

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 12:13

Quote The statistics don't support your argument Ivan - neither do your figures, adding up to 110 or 120%LOL

I think you didn't read well my post Dick

I said: I believe it's 80 or 90% of the prog' from UK, but no more than 30% of the prog' around the world.

THIS MEANS:

1.- Albums of the 70's represent IMO 80% or 90% of the British prog.

2.- Albums of the 70's represent IMO not more that 30% of the prog around the world.

This are two different ideas, so you don't have to add the percentages.

Iván

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 12:27
Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

This are two different ideas, so you don't have to add the percentages.

Beware, that's what engineers are prone to do..................Tongue

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 13:52

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:

It's true.  Every country other than the one I conveniently happen to live in.  Canada is virtually progless (Rush is the exception).  Unless you count post-rock as a style of prog (stuff like Godspeed You Black Emperor and the rest of constellation records), but that's a whole other topic.

There are tons of Canadian prog bands:

rush, saga, heads in the sky, FM, indiscipline, spaced out, harmonium, visible wind, sloche, maneige, miriodor, nathan mahl, interférence sardines, pangée, silent exile, irrgarten, klaatu, uzeb (fusion), nightwinds, hamadryad, rose, sense, opus-5, addison project, mind gallery, upright, red sand, redjy emond, et cetera, milkweed, symphonic slam, hemlock, mullmuzzler, devin townsend...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 14:00
Prog belongs to the seventies, there's nothing to discuss about it...it's a state of spirit which belongs to the past. In the 80's and 90's a few bands had prog accents but it's not a real scene, just pseudo prog!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 14:03
Without the Internet, not many new progressive artists would have been known around the globe.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2004 at 14:10

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Prog belongs to the seventies, there's nothing to discuss about it...it's a state of spirit which belongs to the past. In the 80's and 90's a few bands had prog accents but it's not a real scene, just pseudo prog!

That's a narrow view to take. Let us hope that there are still bands composing and performing prog Rock for many years now. The 70's was a classic genre-defining era, but if it doesnt evolve it will disappear.




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