Do you think, like me, that prog of the 70's only occupies a small percentage of all the prog scene, say, 10-15%?

I believe it's 80 or 90% of the prog' from UK, but no more than 30% of the prog' around the world.

In the 80's there were a lot of neo prog' bands in other countries, wit a growth in USA, the 90's was a good decade for Scandinavian bands, and in the 00's, there are a lot of bands all over the world, including countries as Mongolia, Russia, Japan, Israel, etc.

Iván

Undoubtedly there are more albums now- that's what the passage of time does; the farther you go back, the fewer albums there were.

Of course prog didn't die after the 70s- but general interest in it did taper off sharply. Which in my mind is a good thing; relative obscurity grants the artist more freedom and makes the community stronger. Although I sympathize with the financial concerns of some of the struggling musicians, the situation right now is almost perfect. I hope prog never makes a comeback.

James Lee wrote: Undoubtedly there are more albums now- that's what the passage of time does; the farther you go back, the fewer albums there were. Of course prog didn't die after the 70s- but general interest in it did taper off sharply. Which in my mind is a good thing; relative obscurity grants the artist more freedom and makes the community stronger. Although I sympathize with the financial concerns of some of the struggling musicians, the situation right now is almost perfect. I hope prog never makes a comeback.

Many bands like IQ and Flower Kings are fully aware of who their audience are - ie prog fans.We are in small minority of the music buying public but our intense loyalty will always guarantee X amount of album sales.There are a lot more prog bands than ever before competing for an small slice of the market.That guarantees that bands are not going to become complacent so to some extent I agree with your point.

ivan_2068 wrote: I believe it's 80 or 90% of the prog' from UK, but no more than 30% of the prog' around the world.   Iván

The statistics don't support your argument Ivan - neither do your figures, adding up to 110 or 120%

greenback wrote: Do you think, like me, that prog of the 70's only occupies a small percentage of all the prog scene, say, 10-15%?

But as I've written recently in PA, the classic period for prog rock was between 1967 and 1973-ish, when  possibly 80% of the various styles of prog were laid down and polished up, producing some classic records. Metal Prog and the Nu.Prog ( e.g. The Mars Volta) being the obvious examples of prog  coming after.

Prog didn't die in the 70's but it sure got a heck less interesting! (and good)

I think that most prog since the mid seventies has been more of the same - there wasn't anything really new until Neo-prog and prog metal in the early 1980s, and the more recent incarnation of Prog metal.

So not really progressive music in the sense of the term, even though there may have been a lot of bands playing a now established genre called prog;  It seems a little ironic that prog is no longer necessarily progressive, where the bands of the early 1970's were progressive and innovative by definition!.

In short, I agree that most (80%, to give a finger in the air figure) of true prog is from the early 1970s.

Does it really matter.  The way I see it, more than 80% of the prog I love is from the 70s.. and thats really all that matters to me...

Does anything matter?

(Apart from ELP )

The statistics don't support your argument Ivan - neither do your figures, adding up to 110 or 120%

I think you didn't read well my post Dick

I said: I believe it's 80 or 90% of the prog' from UK, but no more than 30% of the prog' around the world.

THIS MEANS:

1.- Albums of the 70's represent IMO 80% or 90% of the British prog.

2.- Albums of the 70's represent IMO not more that 30% of the prog around the world.

This are two different ideas, so you don't have to add the percentages.

Iván

ivan_2068 wrote: This are two different ideas, so you don't have to add the percentages.

Beware, that's what engineers are prone to do..................

Useful_Idiot wrote: It's true.  Every country other than the one I conveniently happen to live in.  Canada is virtually progless (Rush is the exception).  Unless you count post-rock as a style of prog (stuff like Godspeed You Black Emperor and the rest of constellation records), but that's a whole other topic.

There are tons of Canadian prog bands:

rush, saga, heads in the sky, FM, indiscipline, spaced out, harmonium, visible wind, sloche, maneige, miriodor, nathan mahl, interférence sardines, pangée, silent exile, irrgarten, klaatu, uzeb (fusion), nightwinds, hamadryad, rose, sense, opus-5, addison project, mind gallery, upright, red sand, redjy emond, et cetera, milkweed, symphonic slam, hemlock, mullmuzzler, devin townsend...

philippe wrote: Prog belongs to the seventies, there's nothing to discuss about it...it's a state of spirit which belongs to the past. In the 80's and 90's a few bands had prog accents but it's not a real scene, just pseudo prog!

That's a narrow view to take. Let us hope that there are still bands composing and performing prog Rock for many years now. The 70's was a classic genre-defining era, but if it doesnt evolve it will disappear.

Velvetclown wrote: Without the Internet, not many new progressive artists would have been known around the globe.

Absolutely right VC. Indeed, I would go so far as to say the internet has been the saviour of prog.

Easy Livin wrote: Velvetclown wrote: Without the Internet, not many new progressive artists would have been known around the globe. Absolutely right VC. Indeed, I would go so far as to say the internet has been the saviour of prog.

It will take me a year just to get to grips with the MP3's available on this site. I for one am extremely grateful for this. Long live the Net!

Reed Lover wrote: philippe wrote: Prog belongs to the seventies, there's nothing to discuss about it...it's a state of spirit which belongs to the past. In the 80's and 90's a few bands had prog accents but it's not a real scene, just pseudo prog!

Not at all!

Certif1ed wrote: Does anything matter? (Apart from ELP )

Lots of stuff matters, but apart from ELP not much deserves to!!