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BroSpence
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 05 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2614 |
Posted: January 16 2008 at 21:54 |
Kucinich and Paul are the two best choices of a line up of bad choices.
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moreitsythanyou
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
Posted: January 16 2008 at 21:02 |
That questionnaire thing was pretty cool, but it basically showed the candidates in the exact order that I supported them. No joke, that thing was spot on. Since I'm going to be turning 18 before the deadline I can't vote in this poll, but I must say, I do love my Kucinich.
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<font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR]
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rileydog22
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: January 16 2008 at 20:14 |
I second this nomination. Start petitioning. NOW. |
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rileydog22
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: January 16 2008 at 19:45 |
The same as the other democrats. They really all have the same message, they're just competing to see who can say the word "change" more times per hour. Obama is winning in this category. |
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: January 16 2008 at 14:52 |
I have no idea what Obama´s political ideas are... some info please.
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: January 16 2008 at 09:02 |
I'm not voting in the poll as I can vote in the elections. I went to the web site. No big surprise republicans got all negative ratings except for Paul with a rating of 1. Oddly enough Clinton came in third after Kucinich and Gravel. Edwards came in fourth despite only 5 disagreements with him vs. 6 with Hillary. I'm personally pulling for Edwards while he is still in the race. I think he has the best chance with the general electorate, I also like the fact that he didn't come from a privileged background, plus he's not afraid of saying he will stand with the people over the corporations when that needs to happen. Edited by Slartibartfast - January 16 2008 at 09:03 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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ClemofNazareth
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: January 16 2008 at 08:00 |
I think you might have been right about whites not willing to vote for a black man a few years ago, and there are still many, many Archie Bunker types left in this country. But even my uber-conservative Anabaptist parents (who live in the South) have said that they would consider voting for a moderate or even the Democratic candidate (which could end up being Obama) after the beating this country has taken the past seven years. So in that sense Bush may have inadvertently done more for racial equality during his term than any president in the past 30 years . The "friggin' pastor/priest" is Mike Huckabee, and following his victory in the Iowa caucases he finished a distant third-place in both the New Hampshire and Michigan primaries. In the past couple of weeks he has made comments about sending Iranians "to the gates of Hell" and "helping them" see their seven virgins in the after-life, plus had a pep talk with supporters after Iowa where he told them they were "God's army" and were girding themselves to "do the Lord's work". I'm sure that in context these comments weren't quite as inflammatory as they sound, but that's the kind of stuff that'll get you put on the shelf in a campaign real fast, even in the South. I'd say his 15 minutes of fame will be over in about another 3-4 minutes. On the Hillary note, I'm really watching this race with interest to see how it develops, but her emo stunt in New Hampshire is kind of like that old "are you still beating your wife?" question: if she was really actually crying in that interview then one has to be concerned about the resolve and steadfastness of someone who would bawl in public also being in charge of the world's largest military and thousands of nuclear warheads. And if she was faking it then one has to consider what lengths she would go to for the nomination, and whether she can actually be trusted at face-value on anything else. She was bordering on the same act last night during the Michigan debates on TV, so it looks like that's her new strategy until/if it backfires. |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20239 |
Posted: January 16 2008 at 04:40 |
For some reasons I don't see Hillarious getting in >>she crying/upset session after the Iowa caucus must've displeased more than a few, including me. Most likely she'll get in as Democrat candidate and has a fair chance at getting it, though
I don't believe Obama will conquer the democratic seat and if he does, I believe the Reps will win it for a third mandate ina row.... (too many whites not willing to vote for a black candidate)
So I think this Edwards guy will most likely make it either as prez or vice-prez
on the Rep side, I'm not that familiar with the candidate's names, but I just hope the friggin' pastor/priest gets crushed very quickly (in New Hampshire hopefully) Edited by Sean Trane - January 16 2008 at 04:41 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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IVNORD
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 13 2006 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1191 |
Posted: January 15 2008 at 10:12 |
Considerin the fact that it was a bubble economy in its early stages, it was definetely better than the mature bubble economy of today. Clinton created the bubble economy, great achievement
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markosherrera
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 01 2006 Location: World Status: Offline Points: 3252 |
Posted: January 14 2008 at 09:49 |
Obama and John Edwards are good options ,but the next president is Hillary Clinton....a Democrat.Whe Clinton was President the USA economy was better.
If Giuliani wins ..perhaps he will continue the politics of Bush
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Hi progmaniacs of all the world
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Mikerinos
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Planet Gong Status: Offline Points: 8890 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 23:20 |
Before voting, check this out:
http://www.dehp.net/candidate/ Not 100% accurate but is much more informative than voting based off of TV snippets. I matched closest to Kucinch and Gravel (both have little chance to put it lightly), with the other dems all similar and behind. The only republican that I didn't get a negative score with was Ron Paul, go figure. Giuiliani still makes me cringe, he uses the words "terrorism" and "9/11" more than dizty, stereotypical girls use the word "like." |
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Shakespeare
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:53 |
I think we are slowly veering this thread towards Just For Fun. |
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rileydog22
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:46 |
Dude, I would totally vote for the Zorn/Frith ticket. Their motto would be like "We'll make every city Naked City."
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Shakespeare
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:45 |
sew troo sew troo. Man, if John Zorn was the president, it would be like
"I am imposing a new law. It goes like this....one, two, three, four, O*Q@W#NDQXY8qiuhqioUI190-898198918WIOUHOJ2OIN2POJKJKKJ*(@*&@#&*^!@#(!((((!)!)!_W_WWS XXXXX" |
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rileydog22
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:40 |
Vander isn't a US citizen, so he isn't eligible.
JOHN ZORN 2008! |
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Shakespeare
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 7744 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 19:12 |
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Christian Vander. Seriously, I have no idea who all those people are or what they can bring to the political table. My vote goes to whoever is furthers left. |
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Dim
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 18:53 |
They all suck, but I doubt they're realy gonna F*ck up anything.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65236 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:21 |
yes, well that's always the real underlying question.. in this election, because I believe Iraq has seriously damaged the Republicans, many will vote more with general policy in mind ..in other words, "get us the hell out of there and start a healing process that will only bring better spirits and a stimulated economy" as for which Dem should be President, I'm sure Hillary believes she deserves it |
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ClemofNazareth
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:15 |
For me the leading candidates' stated policies don't matter all that much in today's environment. Our past three presidents have done very little to follow up on most of their campaign promises anyway, and those who ran and lost and ended up in the Senate have been largely silent as well so I think you can't give much credence to specific proposals or promises. Much of what a president accomplishes ends up being about how well they can work with Congress anyway. I think this election is about making a definitive statement on what direction we want for our country. More of the same most likely means a continuing erosion of the middle class, an increased polarization of the country's citizenship between those who are progressive and socially-conscious, and those whose primary focus is on continuing to promote capitalism and strengthening our 'moral authority'. IMHO I think we should also consider our global standing, which has eroded more in the past seven years than at any time in our history (and which is why I asked the question in the first place). Electing someone who will continue to act unilaterally in world affairs and show open disdain for the opinions and priorities of other nations will only further damage the reputation of all Americans world-wide. On the upside states like mine that rely on tourism for much of their revenue will benefit since Americans will continue to forego foreign vacation travel for domestic since we will become even greater targets outside our own borders. So there's that at least.... |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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Chris H
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: January 13 2008 at 16:58 |
It's between Clinton and Obama for Democrat and Huckabee and Giuliani for Republican. Ron Paul might be the only person with an outside chance. But other than that, you're right, who cares? Now that Fred Thompson is off Law & Order he's a done deal anyways!
Edited by Zappa88 - January 13 2008 at 16:59 |
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Beauty will save the world.
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