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Poll Question: Who do our non-U.S. members think should be the next U.S. president?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2008 at 21:54
Kucinich and Paul are the two best choices of a line up of bad choices.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2008 at 21:02
That questionnaire thing was pretty cool, but it basically showed the candidates in the exact order that I supported them. No joke, that thing was spot on. Since I'm going to be turning 18 before the deadline Evil%20Smile I can't vote in this poll, but I must say, I do love my Kucinich. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2008 at 20:14
Originally posted by someone very wise someone very wise wrote:

Dude, I would totally vote for the Zorn/Frith ticket.  Their motto would be like "We'll make every city Naked City."  


I second this nomination.  Start petitioning.  NOW. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2008 at 19:45
Originally posted by el b�thy el b�thy wrote:

I have no idea what Obama�s political ideas are... some info please.




The same as the other democrats.  They really all have the same message, they're just competing to see who can say the word "change" more times per hour.  Obama is winning in this category. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2008 at 14:52
I have no idea what Obama´s political ideas are... some info please.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2008 at 09:02
Originally posted by Bluesaga Bluesaga wrote:

Before voting, check this out:

http://www.dehp.net/candidate/

Not 100% accurate but is much more informative than voting based off of TV snippets.  I matched closest to Kucinch and Gravel (both have little chance to put it lightly), with the other dems all similar and behind.  The only republican that I didn't get a negative score with was Ron Paul, go figure.  Giuiliani still makes me cringe, he uses the words "terrorism" and "9/11" more than dizty, stereotypical girls use the word "like."


I'm not voting in the poll as I can vote in the elections.  I went to the web site.  No big surprise republicans got all negative ratings except for Paul with a rating of 1.  Oddly enough Clinton came in third after Kucinich and Gravel.  Edwards came in fourth despite only 5 disagreements with him vs. 6 with Hillary.  I'm personally pulling for Edwards while he is still in the race.  I think he has the best chance with the general electorate, I also like the fact that he didn't come from a privileged background, plus he's not afraid of saying he will stand with the people over the corporations when that needs to happen.


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 16 2008 at 09:03
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2008 at 08:00
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I don't believe Obama will conquer the democratic seat and if he does, I believe the Reps will win it for a third mandate ina row.... (too many whites not willing to vote for a black candidate)

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on the Rep side, I'm not that familiar with the candidate's names, but I just hope the friggin' pastor/priest gets crushed very quickly (in New Hampshire hopefully)


I think you might have been right about whites not willing to vote for a black man a few years ago, and there are still many, many Archie Bunker types left in this country.  But even my uber-conservative Anabaptist parents (who live in the South) have said that they would consider voting for a moderate or even the Democratic candidate (which could end up being Obama) after the beating this country has taken the past seven years.  So in that sense Bush may have inadvertently done more for racial equality during his term than any president in the past 30 years Confused.

The "friggin' pastor/priest" is Mike Huckabee, and following his victory in the Iowa caucases he finished a distant third-place in both the New Hampshire and Michigan primaries.

In the past couple of weeks he has made comments about sending Iranians "to the gates of Hell" and "helping them" see their seven virgins in the after-life, plus had a pep talk with supporters after Iowa where he told them they were "God's army" and were girding themselves to "do the Lord's work".  I'm sure that in context these comments weren't quite as inflammatory as they sound, but that's the kind of stuff that'll get you put on the shelf in a campaign real fast, even in the South.  I'd say his 15 minutes of fame will be over in about another 3-4 minutes.

On the Hillary note, I'm really watching this race with interest to see how it develops, but her emo stunt in New Hampshire is kind of like that old "are you still beating your wife?" question: if she was really actually crying in that interview then one has to be concerned about the resolve and steadfastness of someone who would bawl in public also being in charge of the world's largest military and thousands of nuclear warheads.  And if she was faking it then one has to consider what lengths she would go to for the nomination, and whether she can actually be trusted at face-value on anything else.  She was bordering on the same act last night during the Michigan debates on TV, so it looks like that's her new strategy until/if it backfires.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2008 at 04:40
For some reasons I don't see Hillarious getting in >>she crying/upset session after the Iowa caucus must've displeased more than a few, including me. Most likely she'll get in as Democrat candidate and has a fair chance at getting it, though
 
I don't believe Obama will conquer the democratic seat and if he does, I believe the Reps will win it for a third mandate ina row.... (too many whites not willing to vote for a black candidate)
 
So I think this Edwards guy will most likely make it either as prez or vice-prez
 
 
on the Rep side, I'm not that familiar with the candidate's names, but I just hope the friggin' pastor/priest gets crushed very quickly (in New Hampshire hopefully)


Edited by Sean Trane - January 16 2008 at 04:41
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2008 at 10:12
Originally posted by markosherrera markosherrera wrote:

Whe Clinton was President the USA economy was better.
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Considerin the fact that it was a bubble economy in its early stages, it was definetely better than the mature bubble economy of today. Clinton created the bubble economy, great achievement
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2008 at 09:49
Obama and John Edwards are good options ,but the next president is Hillary Clinton....a Democrat.Whe Clinton was President the USA economy was better.
If Giuliani wins ..perhaps he will continue the politics of Bush 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 23:20
Before voting, check this out:

http://www.dehp.net/candidate/

Not 100% accurate but is much more informative than voting based off of TV snippets.  I matched closest to Kucinch and Gravel (both have little chance to put it lightly), with the other dems all similar and behind.  The only republican that I didn't get a negative score with was Ron Paul, go figure.  Giuiliani still makes me cringe, he uses the words "terrorism" and "9/11" more than dizty, stereotypical girls use the word "like."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:53

I think we are slowly veering this thread towards Just For Fun. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:46
Dude, I would totally vote for the Zorn/Frith ticket.  Their motto would be like "We'll make every city Naked City."  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:45
sew troo sew troo. Man, if John Zorn was the president, it would be like

"I am imposing a new law. It goes like this....one, two, three, four, O*Q@W#NDQXY8qiuhqioUI190-898198918WIOUHOJ2OIN2POJKJKKJ*(@*&@#&*^!@#(!((((!)!)!_W_WWS XXXXX"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 20:40
Vander isn't a US citizen, so he isn't eligible.

JOHN ZORN 2008!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 19:12
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Seriously, I have no idea who all those people are or what they can bring to the political table. My vote goes to whoever is furthers left.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 18:53
They all suck, but I doubt they're realy gonna F*ck up anything.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:21
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

It's good to see what seems to be a variety of credible candidates. It looks like the next president will command far more respect, whoever it is.
 
I'd be interested to hear how much our US memebrs feel this is a vote for the person, and how much the candidate's political allegiance and policies matter.


yes, well that's always the real underlying question..  in this election, because I believe Iraq has seriously damaged the Republicans, many will vote more with general policy in mind  ..in other words, "get us the hell out of there and start a healing process that will only bring better spirits and a stimulated economy"

as for which Dem should be President, I'm sure Hillary believes she deserves it  Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 17:15
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

I'd be interested to hear how much our US members feel this is a vote for the person, and how much the candidate's political allegiance and policies matter.


For me the leading candidates' stated policies don't matter all that much in today's environment.  Our past three 
presidents have done very little to follow up on most of their campaign promises anyway, and those who
ran and lost and ended up in the Senate have been largely silent as well so I think you can't give much
credence to specific proposals or promises.  Much of what a president accomplishes ends up being about how well they can work with Congress anyway.

I think this election is about making a definitive statement on what direction we want for our country. More of the same most likely means a continuing erosion of the middle class, an increased polarization of the country's citizenship between those who are progressive and socially-conscious, and those whose primary focus is on continuing to promote capitalism and strengthening our 'moral authority'.  

IMHO I think we should also consider our global standing, which has eroded more in the past seven years than at any time in our history (and which is why I asked the question in the first place).  Electing someone who will continue to act unilaterally in world affairs and show open disdain for the opinions and priorities of other nations will only further damage the reputation of all Americans world-wide.  On the upside states like mine that rely on tourism for much of their revenue will benefit since Americans will continue to forego foreign vacation travel for domestic since we will become even greater targets outside our own borders.

So there's that at least....



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2008 at 16:58
It's between Clinton and Obama for Democrat and Huckabee and Giuliani for Republican. Ron Paul might be the only person with an outside chance. But other than that, you're right, who cares? Now that Fred Thompson is off Law & Order he's a done deal anyways!

Edited by Zappa88 - January 13 2008 at 16:59
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