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Absolutely love Pain of Salvation... I've got all of their albums and they're packed full of so much variety. Daniel Gildenlow is, indeed, a genious. he has an absolutely fantastic voice as well.
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Look at my avatar everyone and my name. Do I love POS?
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Originally posted by diddy diddy wrote:

Oh yeah...
I don't like Prog Metal this much, mainly because all bands try to sound like Dream Theater. I like Dream Theater but the best prog metal band for sure is Pain of Salvation. They're so different, they do what they want t do, I love their sound, Gildenlöw's voice ( wow)...
I really loved the acoustic album and I also like the new one. Even though I think that "Entropia" is still their best one...
 
If you don't know them, check them out immediately...even if you don't like it, Gildelöw's vocals are worth the money alone

 

There is absolutely nothing in Opeth that reminds me of Dream Theater..

Also, they are the best prog-metal band.

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To clarify it to people, Dream Theater are influenced by Heavy Metal, some Thrash Metal, Progressive Rock, while on the other hand, Opeth is influenced by Black/Death Metal, Doom Metal and Progressive Rock. The Progressive influence is even different since Opeth is more influenced by Psychodelic Rock, while Dream Theater is influenced by Art Rock or Symphonic Rock.

Easy as that and DT does not have a growler like Mikael... Which makes the music extremely different. Opeth also does not "wank", it is purely atmospheric.
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In all honesty I never hear any thrash on DT albums - they seem to be inspired by the bits of Metallica that aren't very thrashy, and that's about the closet they get . Maybe the first album differs - I haven't heard it.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Look at my avatar everyone and my name. Do I love POS?

You can ask me the same question!!
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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

In all honesty I never hear any thrash on DT albums - they seem to be inspired by the bits of Metallica that aren't very thrashy, and that's about the closet they get . Maybe the first album differs - I haven't heard it.

To be honest, the first album doesn't differ much on the 'heaviosity' scale...
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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

In all honesty I never hear any thrash on DT albums - they seem to be inspired by the bits of Metallica that aren't very thrashy, and that's about the closet they get . Maybe the first album differs - I haven't heard it.

The first album is not even close to what Metallica is. It sounds very much like Queensryche with Bass solos, better drummer, better guitar solos and Kevin Moore's amazing keyboarding skils. Probably one of the best first albums ever along with POS' Entropia and Pink Floyd's Piper.
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I don't care much for either of those albums compared to the respective bands' later works, so maybe the DT debut isn't my cup of tea either .

 

It's not just the heaviness I'm talking about, but the actual style. Having listened to a fair bit of early '80s thrash in the last couple of days (inspired by Certif1ed's old musical endeavours , and free absolutely dire quality streams on www.vibrationsofdoom.com) Metallica seem less and less a part of the same sound that most thrashers belonged to (except Slayer and similar, who're something different again), and while I can hear similarities between DT and Metallica, it's not the Battery or the (first track on AJFA, I forget the name ) moments, it's the more "heavy metal" than "thrash metal" bits... awkwardly explained but I hope at least someone understands what I'm thinking

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Oh well, Goose. I don't really give a bullcrap really. Dream Theater is good for me.
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

To clarify it to people, Dream Theater are influenced by Heavy Metal, some Thrash Metal, Progressive Rock, while on the other hand, Opeth is influenced by Black/Death Metal, Doom Metal and Progressive Rock. The Progressive influence is even different since Opeth is more influenced by Psychodelic Rock, while Dream Theater is influenced by Art Rock or Symphonic Rock.

Easy as that and DT does not have a growler like Mikael... Which makes the music extremely different. Opeth also does not "wank", it is purely atmospheric.



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I dont know what to think about POS.Sometimes they are brilliant othertimes I hate them.Is just me or does the word inconsistant apply here?I think they need better vocals at times.
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Originally posted by James Hill James Hill wrote:

I dont know what to think about POS.Sometimes they are brilliant othertimes I hate them.Is just me or does the word inconsistant apply here?I think they need better vocals at times.


A matter of taste.  Many consider him to be the best prog vocalist alive, I myself am among those.
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Points: 16829 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 07:16
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by James Hill James Hill wrote:

I dont know
what to think about POS.Sometimes they
are brilliant othertimes I hate them.Is just me or does the word
inconsistant apply here?I think they need better vocals at
times.


A matter of taste.  Many consider him to be the best prog
vocalist alive, I myself am among those.


Looking good definitely
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Points: 521 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 07:30

Hey, you two, don't  start again with that! We don't want this thread to be moved to the "not related with music" section, do we?

 
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daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

and i love it!!!!

BTW, to the ones that are bashing eminem, why dont you give rapping a try and see if you dont sound like a complete ass.  rapping takes talent, and is just as valid a form of music as prog is.  there is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to music, there are only preferences...
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Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

Errr... this has to be discussed at dawn: pistols or swords?

 
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Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

and i love it!!!!

BTW, to the ones that are bashing eminem, why dont you give rapping a try and see if you dont sound like a complete ass.  rapping takes talent, and is just as valid a form of music as prog is.  there is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to music, there are only preferences...

Hey Colin,

I think you've got lost and found yourself in the wrong forum... here you are amongst a group of mild mannered lentil eating hippies who wear loud waistcoats and cords... sadly not a baseball cap, tattoo, jump suit, item of jewellery or bad attitude anywhere in sight... here we are completely BLING free!
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Originally posted by James Hill James Hill wrote:

I dont know what to think about POS.Sometimes they are brilliant othertimes I hate them.Is just me or does the word inconsistant apply here?I think they need better vocals at times.


i personally think that inconsistent is definitely the wrong word to use. "varied" is much more fitting. i can see why there are some songs some people like more than others, and there are definitely songs which i didn't like when i first listenened to them. however, after sticking with PoS and listening to each album a good few times, the songs i originally hated seem to be becoming my favourites!

as for the vocals... to me they sound consistantly amazing throughout. Daniel Gildenlow has an amazing voice... i love it, and i don't understand why so many people have a problem with it.
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Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

One of the few things that makes me proud to be Swedish is Pain Of Salvation. They don´t care for mass approval, this year they´ve released 12:5 an acoustic cd with old favourites, not a wise move for a metal act. Then they release another cd called BE and this must be the least commercial cd of their career. I´m proud of POS for being brave enough to release these cds, when the "Fans" just wants  Perfect Element 2. Now we will see who the real fans are, the ones who love POS music , metal or no metal.

Pain Of Salvation is my favorite band of all time and one of the few continuously progressive bands. I don't care if they're metal, I appreciate them as a progressive band, not a metal band. Be is incredible and one of the most original albums since the early 70's. I am a true fan of pos, (especially since I like RL and Be BETTER than TPE. But still, I'm exited for the sequel)

 
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