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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2007 at 23:40
Well I ought to search about what groups are Emo or not because if I compare 30 secs to mars with eminem ,50 cents ..I prefer 3o secs to mars but I dont like the 90% of bands of new breed or similar to 30 secs to mars.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2007 at 23:48
Emo. I just can't stand any of those bands...

On the other hand, stuff like 50 Cent and specially Eminem is actually very good. My bro has all Eminem albums, and I remember I enjoyed them (Cleaning Out My Closet and that song with Dido are great). Oh, and how can we forget Without Me, Slim Shady, etc etc. I enjoy it these days. Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2007 at 01:04
i don't particularly enjoy either but i wouldn't say either is worse than the other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2007 at 01:08
Depends on how you define emo. Actually it doesn't. Rap is worse than both original emo and the modern "emo"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2007 at 23:16
I think there's an incredible amount of ignorance and misinformed statements in this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2007 at 23:59
Oh Lord.
 
I concur with the above poster.
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I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2007 at 00:01
old emo from what I've heard is pretty decent (admittedly only really heard At the Drive In and snippets of other bands, not sure how much that counts)


new "emo" as in really POP PUNK is meeeeeeeh at best and eeeeeeeeek at worst

rap can run the gambit : there's moronic rappers as there are moronic rockers. Poison is equivalent to 50 Cent in my eyes. However, Saul Williams has proved to me there's something good in nearly in everything, and I'm still trying to find some rap that's more in an intelligent vein


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2007 at 00:03
Well, really it's not hard to say "Rap Sucks" when you put Fifty Cent as the poster child for the whole genre. 
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I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2007 at 00:05
I like At The Drive-In, Jimmy Eat World, The Fire Theft. Do any of those count? My brother is really into old-school rap and from what I hear I can't say it's the best stuff on the planet, although it is way better that new-school "gangster rap" because at least the gentlemen rapping are intelligent and prove worthy points. So I guess I like "emo" better, but I really can't vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2007 at 13:00
Originally posted by Drakk Drakk wrote:

Well, really it's not hard to say "Rap Sucks" when you put Fifty Cent as the poster child for the whole genre. 


jajaja, it would be Eminem when he was at the peak of the genre, IMO. Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2007 at 15:03
Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by schizoid_man77 schizoid_man77 wrote:

Both are like hair metal, each are destroying the charts, and each are getting large radio, MTV, and all around media play. Like hair metal though, they will go down, FAST, and fifteen years from now, our children are gonna be saying, "how could that have been the cool thing, it's so stupid".


Rap's been a long time dying.

Conjecture: more stratified society = more people living (and dying) the gangsta style = more popularity for rap


I made a similar statement about rap over 20 years ago. When is it going to finally die?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 27 2007 at 16:27
If the poll had said "post-hardcore" instead of "emo", my choice would have been rap, because you can find unique mathcore bands within post-hardcore. But it's extremely difficult to find any original "emo" (bands like Fall Out Boy and Dashboard Confessional...they all have similar vocals and subject-matter), whereas there's been interesting rap since the 90s (neo-soul, underground, etc.) Artists like Aesop Rock, MFDoom, and Nujabes make some really beautiful music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2007 at 15:24
Both are terrible. There are exceptions in each field (I don't know in emo though, but I'm sure there is something decent, I guess)....
 
If I was sent to an island told to pick 100 cds of only one of the two genres mentioned here, well....
 
the sounds of nature are always enthralling...Tongue
 
Both are teen genres... mtv genres.... rap USED top have some personality (back in the days when they spoke of issues and not only of ho's, cars and golden teeth)... On the other hand, all that I know from emo is just pre-pubescent gargabe, perfect for prom parties.
 
Or maybe I'm wrong. I'm too old for emo maybe.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2007 at 15:41
I largely dislike both, and both combined. Emo/ Rap Fusion, ughh.  Emo is the one that provokes more of a yuck reaction in me; whereas, I've found some rap music interesting, as well as great fun.  Emo it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2007 at 19:31
There are good and bad in both genre's.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2007 at 21:34
Very hard pick. It's always a great irony that "Emo" tends to a bit less emotive music than most of the stuff i like (prog, metal, Instrumental Virtuoso guitar, jazz fusion). The image itself i find absolutely appalling , i mean come on, males in black nail polish and eye liner, yuk. And the fact "emo' has made depression seem cool, i cannot stand, as depression is far from cool and many of the depressed people i know dont even like punk, let alone emo pop punk. As for Rap, no better IMO. Musically never great, but ill admit there was some fun 80s rap. As for the modern "gansta' rubbish, ARGH, gloriying violence, guns, promiscuos sex, drugs, excess materialism (aka 'bling and my 'ride). its all too silly for me.
I would say rap is worse by a hair, if only because its less musical, if one can even call it music
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2007 at 00:37
I have a hard time stomaching a lot of these comments, especially when we have a lot of people totally baffled why a lot of people think that all prog is pretentious, arrogant drivel that pseudo intellectuals listen to make themeselves seem smarter.
 
Again, both have good and bad in their midsts.  I'm not familiar with Emo, but I'm fairly certain what we call Emo now, and what was originally coined are very different things.
 
As for Rap/Hip Hop, that's just a ignorant blanket statement.  50 Cent, and all those "Gangsta" rappers, are not good representations of what Rap is, and stands for.  There are artists in Hip Hop experiment with everything from Metal, to Country, to experimental music.  I know of several artists using unconvential instruments within their music.  As for lyrics, some of those MCs are the most intelligent, giftend and clever lyricists that have ever been in music, so please, don't disregard an entire genre because what you hear on the Radio is bad. 
 
I love Progressive Rock, but I also love other genres as well, and just like Prog, you may have to dig past what other's find good, to find what you may really like.  I understand personal preference, but calling them bad, stupid or in essence, what they are not isn't right.  I love music in general, so I won't limit myself to any one genre.
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I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

Al di Meola.

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2007 at 02:51
Originally posted by Drakk Drakk wrote:

I have a hard time stomaching a lot of these comments, especially when we have a lot of people totally baffled why a lot of people think that all prog is pretentious, arrogant drivel that pseudo intellectuals listen to make themeselves seem smarter.
 

Again, both have good and bad in their midsts.  I'm not familiar with Emo, but I'm fairly certain what we call Emo now, and what was originally coined are very different things.

 

As for Rap/Hip Hop, that's just a ignorant blanket statement.  50 Cent, and all those "Gangsta" rappers, are not good representations of what Rap is, and stands for.  There are artists in Hip Hop experiment with everything from Metal, to Country, to experimental music.  I know of several artists using unconvential instruments within their music.  As for lyrics, some of those MCs are the most intelligent, giftend and clever lyricists that have ever been in music, so please, don't disregard an entire genre because what you hear on the Radio is bad. 

 

I love Progressive Rock, but I also love other genres as well, and just like Prog, you may have to dig past what other's find good, to find what you may really like.  I understand personal preference, but calling them bad, stupid or in essence, what they are not isn't right.  I love music in general, so I won't limit myself to any one genre.


I like your comment, and agree with what you say about "Rap". As a commercial musical style "Rap" or Hip Hop has been around since at least the early 80's. It has a great divergence of styles (although not as crazy as what they try to lump under the dreaded Prog umbrella) and many different takes. What most people associate Hip Hop to is Gangsta Rap which is very unfair. Hip Hop has its roots in Jazz and strangely enough Country and Irish/Scottish Traditional music. It is mainly vocal (Prog has a mainly instrumental focus) and relates personal reflections of not only street life but any way of life the artist is or has lived. Lyrics are considered poetry and has a strong resemblance to beat poetry of the 1950's. Some Hip Hop is very intelligent (and moving) some is just plain...you know. I really like early 80's old school east coast stuff, you cant beat Grand Master Flash and Mele Mel, just listen to "The Message" and you will see what I mean.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2007 at 13:29
Originally posted by Drakk Drakk wrote:

... so please, don't disregard an entire genre because what you hear on the Radio is bad.

Quoted for truth.

This is the equivalent of saying "ELP's Love Beach sucks so that means that ALL prog sucks".

Generalization is never a good thing and prog fans should know better.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2007 at 14:33
I love Jedi Mind Tricks, Army of the Pharaohs, some Mobb Deep, some Nas, Immortal Technique, Necro, Non Phixion, but I've never heard any emo I like. So my vote goes to emo.
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