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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66408 |
Posted: December 14 2007 at 14:41 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Music is an art and not a competition. But despite all of the ideals, music is still a business like baseball, and the goal is to make money selling as much of your music as you can. The more true you stay to yourself the better. Something that musicians and athletes have in common is that they both have big egos and they both like to be the center of attention. Both have "look at what I can do" personalities and there are some that crave the attention so much they take the drugs to make their music or athletic abilities reach super human levels. I agree there is as much bad music created from using drugs as there is good music created, but there are also as many bad athletes created as there are good athletes.
The Tigers had a guy on their team some years back named Gabe Kapler. He later played for the Rangers and then the Red Sox. This guy was so muscular his picture appeared on the cover of a bodybuilding magazine. I don't know that he used drugs as he was not on the list, but I suspect that he did. It was mentioned that one reason that he wasn't as good as expected was because his body was so big he didn't have the flexibility or range of motion to hit the ball that well.
Another example, was last year the Tigers had a player who was suspended for the remainder of the season for using performance drugs. His name was Neifi Perez. He was absolutely the worst player I have ever seen wear a Tiger's uniform. The fans were actually thrilled when he got suspended because we didn't have to endure him and his below .200 batting average any more.
Speaking of Piazza, I am somewhat surprised he didn't make the list. Rumors have surrounded him his entire career, along with Pudge Rodriguez who didn't make the list either.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: December 14 2007 at 14:46 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I hate Barry Bonds too...but there's no denying he's a great player. Deff HOFamer before the roids even.
And you're right, this list is only a small amount of all the people. I wouldn't be surprised if 40% of players have used it at least sometime.
Maybe it's wishfull thinking, but I doubt Jeter has ever used enhancing drugs, I just can't see it. And for all the flak he takes, and numbers he puts up, I never have heard A-rod actually accused of this.
But still, Roger Clemmens....I am so dissapointed, but guess I am not surprised....
Like it's been said, I hope this leads to a better future in baseball. Edited by JJLehto - December 14 2007 at 14:47 |
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Kid-A
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 02 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 613 |
Posted: December 15 2007 at 14:54 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
But taking drugs to make music isn't cheating, taking drugs to play sport is. Drugs do not help music, I think a lot of musicians were really held back by their drug taking, certainly more than it truely helped.
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darkmatter
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 23 2006 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 2760 |
Posted: December 15 2007 at 15:01 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mark Prior is a free agent... and the Phillies apparently have no interest in him.... (sigh)
I don't know why they wouldn't want him, he's a low-risk, high-reward guy right now, and I'm sure they will sign another injury plagued pitcher anyway.... |
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rileydog22
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: December 15 2007 at 23:51 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
More Yankees were on the list than players of any other franchise. Not a single current Red Sox player on the list. What a coincidence, considering that George Mitchell is an executive in the Red Sox front office.
Edited by rileydog22 - December 15 2007 at 23:52 |
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66408 |
Posted: December 16 2007 at 00:08 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
To an extent it is "cheating" to play music and certainly it is just as illegal, although, another similarity with baseball, in that authorities have a "nod-nod wink-wink" attitude towards both musicians and athletes taking drugs. Things that normal people are less likely to get away with, especially when they flaunt it the way that some of these do. I think that the effect of drugs on music is subjective. Read TLC's blog on Gong. I am not familiar with them but it sounds like there was a lot of drug use going on with their music. Pink Floyd is pretty famous for some of their member's drug use and the effect on their music. Would Syd Barrett have come up with some of the psychedelic stuff he came up with if he weren't on drugs? Switching to poetry, Samuel Tyler Coleridge wrote his best poems under the influence. Black Sabbath/Ozzy Osbourne definitely came up with most of their material under the influence. Obviously it took its toll on Ozzy. On the other hand, I am sure that there are plenty of musicians who did not create as good as music as they might have because they were on drugs.
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rileydog22
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: January 31 2008 at 23:20 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Damn....Mets got Santana, for nothing. NOTHING! The Yanks and Red Sox offered about half of their major league rosters for Johan, and then the Mets get him for 4 prospects, only one of whom actually has major league experience. It pisses me off.
And don't get me started about Omar and Hispanic players..... |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 01 2008 at 18:25 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I am just glad the Red Sox didnt get him. Personally, I'm glad the Yanks FOR ONCE didn't go out and do this. They should stick with their team and develop their pitchers. Imagine this eventual lineup: Wang, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, and Andy Pettite Beastly |
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rileydog22
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Posted: February 01 2008 at 19:14 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Beastly indeed, and even beastlier is the fact that, with the sole exception of Pettite, those guys each have, barring injuries, 10 years or more of beastliness in them. Wang is probably now as good as he's gonna get, but Jaba, Hughes, and Kennedy are only gonna get better.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 02 2008 at 00:58 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You gotta wonder...did either team REALLY want Santana? Or did they just feel the urge to egg each other on and get in a bidding war
And Wang is the best pitcher IMO at least for right now. 19 wins man |
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rileydog22
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Posted: February 02 2008 at 11:48 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Wang is a monster. I once went to a game he pitched where he threw 8 innings with 6 double plays, and he only faced one batter more than the minimum.
And he was sooooo close to 20 wins, and he should be a strong Cy Young contender next year, especially with Santana now in the other league. |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 03 2008 at 11:45 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
No doubt.
As much as I like Mussina he's old and I think he's losing it.
I love the: Wang, Pettite, Chamberlain, Hughes, Kennedy lineup + their offesne =
4 straight world series wins!
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rileydog22
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Posted: February 03 2008 at 14:53 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Moose has been great for us, but he certainly didn't have it last year. I'm worried for his future.
Andy sure was great in 2007, though.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 04 2008 at 19:03 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Well.....football is over. I guess we can bask in the Giant greatness for a few more days and then start looking towards
The New York Yankees! |
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rileydog22
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 24 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 8844 |
Posted: February 14 2008 at 22:08 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
If there was any doubt before, it is now gone. Barry Bonds is gonna get his ass thrown in jail for perjury; he tested positive for steroids in November, 2001:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3246542 Justice shall be served after all! Rot in jail, Bonds. This still raises the question, though: why the f**k did we not hear about this earlier? |
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1800iareyay
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Posted: February 14 2008 at 22:17 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Do you think an ordinary jail cell could hold that mutated freak? |
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rileydog22
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Posted: February 14 2008 at 22:50 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
They'd have to put him in a reinforced cell for a month or two, but after a while of not having the drugs the effects wear off, so it wouldn't be long before he'd be back to his rookie weight.
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JJLehto
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 11:09 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
F*ck Roger Clemmens.
Just come clean man and stop shooting yourself in the foot. |
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rileydog22
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 21:08 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Anybody else doing fantasy? I'm in a league with a couple of friends and I've got:
Feeling pretty good about my team, especially pitching. Next year we should do a PA fantasy baseball team. |
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 21:22 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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<font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR]
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